Looks like the it's a conditional 4th round pick, that could rise as high as a 2nd rounder. Details haven't yet been disclosed though.
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| Who cares? | 41 | 36.61% | |
| That AFC team. | 29 | 25.89% | |
| That NFC team. | 5 | 4.46% | |
| Hahaha, not the Packers! | 25 | 22.32% | |
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Looks like the it's a conditional 4th round pick, that could rise as high as a 2nd rounder. Details haven't yet been disclosed though.
I think the idea of a Seahawks decline is way too premature imho.
The Cowboys were a nearly worst-case matchup, they have spent a ton of emphasis on building the O line (3 1st round picks in 4 years that have hit!). And if someone can bust you down with the O line, it means the running game and time of possession gets pretty ugly pretty fast.
I don't think anyone else on the remaining Seahawks schedule has anywhere close to the same danger in matchups for the Seahawks. The Seahawks entered last Sunday's game with the #1 run defense, and I expect that to return to normal (ego and pride was challenged on Sunday as well, so expect them to play at 120% next game!).
The Seahawks offense also isn't built for playing from behind. They're at their best doing things similar to what Dallas did to them : pound the run, open up the passing game when the defense overcommits to the line, and play slow, patient, hard-nose 4 quarter ball games. And of course, dominate on special teams (which they HANDILY did vs. Dallas, people forget that just looking at the L and the way Dallas offense bowled over the defense).
Some matchups are rock > paper > scissors in the NFL, that one just didn't end up favoring Seattle. Even so, I think Seattle should be respected, and we should expect them to do well again this year. Repeat? Maybe, maybe not, it's so hard to predict too far because of injuries and so on. But you match the Seahawks up against almost any team in the league and I'm betting on them.
| mornelithe said: Looks like the it's a conditional 4th round pick, that could rise as high as a 2nd rounder. Details haven't yet been disclosed though. |
Makes sense. As good as Harvin was on special teams, his regular role in the offense didn't seem to be all that big. Dallas shut him down (negative 1 yards?) outside of returns, and Seattle is not a pass-happy team that can truly light up with Harvin at 100%.
Harvin + Kaep? Luck? Brees? P Man? Gold, I tell you.
But the Jets? Poor Harvin. That's the kind of move that can doom you to irrelevance.
Arkaign said:
Harvin + Kaep? Luck? Brees? P Man? Gold, I tell you. But the Jets? Poor Harvin. That's the kind of move that can doom you to irrelevance. |
Heh, Seahawks lost out big on this deal though. A 1st, 3rd and 7th, for a conditional 4th is a turrible return :)
Ah, didn't see those details. Yeah that's bizarro world. It should be the Jets sending a 1st, 3rd, and 7th to Seattle for Harvin. Or they should have traded Harvin to a team that actually needs him. Jets need a QB.
So you're saying that the ONLY thing the Seahawks are getting is :
(1)- Clearing cap space (??)
(2)- A 4th round pick (maybe)
and giving up their
1st, 3rd, and 7th round picks in X draft(s)?
Maybe someone has a nude pic of Seahawks ownership? Blackmail? Lost a bet with the mob? What the hell.
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I think your idea of taking every post in this thread seriously is way too... serious. |
Weird, it lets me embed the video and see it in the message preview, but disappears upon posting lol. Now the video is 2x more effective :D
| Arkaign said: Ah, didn't see those details. Yeah that's bizarro world. It should be the Jets sending a 1st, 3rd, and 7th to Seattle for Harvin. Or they should have traded Harvin to a team that actually needs him. Jets need a QB. So you're saying that the ONLY thing the Seahawks are getting is : (1)- Clearing cap space (??) (2)- A 4th round pick (maybe) and giving up their 1st, 3rd, and 7th round picks in X draft(s)? Maybe someone has a nude pic of Seahawks ownership? Blackmail? Lost a bet with the mob? What the hell. |
No no no, Seattle traded their 1st, 3rd and 7th's for Harvin in the first place. A year later, all they get is a conditional 4th in return.
Ah okay. Yeah that's still terrible. Does it clear cap space though? I don't follow the back-office side of the Hawks at all, so I don't know if he got a big contract yet or not. Or maybe he hadn't yet, but they would have to pay him next year, then they looked at how he's fitting with the team this year and were like "Welp, let's bail now and try for something that fits".
I think they might be looking at someone to pace in with Chancellor. It seems like their defense needs that extra pop that's missing with the losses in personnel since the BOOM season last year ended on top. IIRC they lost some absolutely stellar guys.
They're still top-tier, but not overwhelmingly good.
2014 Cowboys vs. 2013 Seahawks I think would have been a much tighter game. You can't deny Dallas O-line and run game, but the '13 Hawks were a half-step above the '14 Hawks defensively.
| Arkaign said: Ah okay. Yeah that's still terrible. Does it clear cap space though? I don't follow the back-office side of the Hawks at all, so I don't know if he got a big contract yet or not. Or maybe he hadn't yet, but they would have to pay him next year, then they looked at how he's fitting with the team this year and were like "Welp, let's bail now and try for something that fits". I think they might be looking at someone to pace in with Chancellor. It seems like their defense needs that extra pop that's missing with the losses in personnel since the BOOM season last year ended on top. IIRC they lost some absolutely stellar guys. They're still top-tier, but not overwhelmingly good. 2014 Cowboys vs. 2013 Seahawks I think would have been a much tighter game. You can't deny Dallas O-line and run game, but the '13 Hawks were a half-step above the '14 Hawks defensively. |
It likely clears up cap space, otherwise I'd imagine the return would've been higher than a conditional 4th. We'll know more when the details of the trade are made public.
mornelithe said:
It likely clears up cap space, otherwise I'd imagine the return would've been higher than a conditional 4th. We'll know more when the details of the trade are made public. |
The phrase "locker room cancer" is also popping up pretty regularly now that he's gone, complete with accusations that he gave Tate a black eye during the Super Bowl (a plus, if true). No idea how much of it is true, though.