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fatslob-:O on 09 May 2016

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I think with the last few episodes Re Zero has lost its 10/10 potential. It's not even the content but the pacing. Having a cliffhanger every episode is nice - it worked for SnK - but if the rest of the episode is uninteresting and at a snail's pace it's getting tiring.

I'm pretty sure it will pick up very soon and probably got some fucking awesome episodes ahead but I don't know if I can award my prestigious 10 to an anime with such a long and boring stretch.

This is why I never give out any scores prior to finishing any series or get swept in the hype of first impressions ...

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Aeolus451 on 09 May 2016

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That version of the nice guy or nice girl is inhuman. The MC and other characters will develope feelings/emotional attachment or pure physical attraction/desire towards another character at some point especially if they are attractive/likeable. Regardless of the character(s) being good natured or bad, they'll want to. Sooner or later, people will act out those impulses. It's human nature. Most stories in anime/manga take place around a school with teenagers. That's why I think alot of anime is just missing something or it never quite scratches that itch as good as you might want it scratched.

One piece and bleach. Plenty of single male and female characters but no one ever dates or have sex (or imply they have sex) even though they are really long anime/manga.

In Naruto, all of the younger characters remain single and they never hook up even though they actually have feelings for each other yet those feelings were part of the plot.

I just wish that anime in general starts to evolve. Make characters date eachother and use that in the plot. It doesn't need to be SOL or romance.

Eh...I'm not necessarily defending it...just stating what the thought process seems to be. Different people have different opinions on how these themes should be handled, and I can't say either is really right. I just think vicariousness isn't necessarily the best answer here. Personally, it doesn't bother me too much, since I enjoy other genres that put more focus on these themes anyway.

Regarding the examples you posted, I don't really mind adding variety to that particular genre. Off of the top of my head, Rave Master, Magi, and Fairy Tail (to a lesser extent) are/were pretty open about coupling characters naturally in the middle of the story. It was never exactly a huge moment, but I can definitely see the appeal to that type of writing. Rave Master in particular had some of the most well-written romance I've seen in an action shounen.

At the same time, I'd rather authors not feel obliged to touch on it either. In One Piece, for example, the author actually responding to a fan request for romance by telling them to "go read a shoujo". Pretty blunt...but I can't say I disagree with him either. One of the reasons I grew to hate Naruto so much was because the romance felt so contrived and forced into the story.

This probably sounds odd from me, since I'm such a big ship fan...but that's how it is for me anyway. Personally, I'd rather have no attempt at romance at all than one that doesn't mesh with the overall narrative. To each their own of course...I just don't personally see this type of addition as a real evolution to the genre.

My main point was that the characters don't act naturally or as a free thinking person would. I knew that you weren't defending it but I was just talking in general or just venting about it. I rather the characters act more natural If you put single attractive/likeable people around eachother, they'll likely start to mingle and develope feelings for eachother, maybe date or hook up. The more natural characters act, the more relatable they are ,the more people empathize with 'em (to a point). It doesn't need to be the focus but characters should be dating at the very least.

Sometimes, I just get bored of the long running anime because they're too predictable. That's also the case for most anime. I guess a good part of that is my fault since I like to read novels and I like storylines that evolve over time where the characters change and their relationships change as well. I guess I expect too much from the writers of manga and anime. Rant over.

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Aeolus451 on 09 May 2016

fatslob-:O said:

vivster said:
I think with the last few episodes Re Zero has lost its 10/10 potential. It's not even the content but the pacing. Having a cliffhanger every episode is nice - it worked for SnK - but if the rest of the episode is uninteresting and at a snail's pace it's getting tiring.

I'm pretty sure it will pick up very soon and probably got some fucking awesome episodes ahead but I don't know if I can award my prestigious 10 to an anime with such a long and boring stretch.

This is why I never give out any scores prior to finishing any series or get swept in the hype of first impressions ...

That particular anime is difficult to rate tbh. It turn out to be a 10 after the final episode.

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pokoko on 09 May 2016

Romance does not need to be shoehorned into anything if it's not in the author's vision for the characters. Simple as that. Working with the opposite sex does not have to develop into anything beyond camaraderie. In fact, it would really be a lot more unnatural if everyone paired up like they're at a mixer.

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Aeolus451 on 10 May 2016

pokoko said:
Romance does not need to be shoehorned into anything if it's not in the author's vision for the characters. Simple as that. Working with the opposite sex does not have to develop into anything beyond camaraderie. In fact, it would really be a lot more unnatural if everyone paired up like they're at a mixer.

It's not like they're co-workers in the majority of anime where they have to maintain a level of professionalism and distance with each other. Plenty of times, characters show a degree of interest in each other but nothing ever comes from it in most anime. It's like a wall where characters can't become couples or progress to that level.

I agree with that bolded part. It's just as bad as everyone being single. One extreme for another is never a good thing. I also agree that if it's not in the writer's/author's vision then it shouldn't be added but on the other hand, they shouldn't be afraid to grow or evolve as creators and break away from the tropes/cliches.

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Aeolus451 on 10 May 2016

Ka-pi96 said:

pokoko said:
Romance does not need to be shoehorned into anything if it's not in the author's vision for the characters. Simple as that. Working with the opposite sex does not have to develop into anything beyond camaraderie. In fact, it would really be a lot more unnatural if everyone paired up like they're at a mixer.

That's all well and good except it's often heavily hinted that there are feelings between two characters, they just never actually act on them. If they don't want romance between characters then they shouldn't keep hinting at it and never delivering

Exactly.

That happens in every genre of anime. It's like they want flirt with the idea of the characters dating but nothing ever happens. From the harem stuff to the SOL or sports. It's the same.

The only anime I can think of off the top of my head where the character's relationship progresses is Parasyte: The Maxim

In Naruto why the hell hasn't Naruto started to date Hinata yet