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Could someone find a chart for me scaling the ratios of different key hardware values of the PS1/N64 to those of Gamecube/Xbox to those of PS3/Xbox 360 to those of PS4/Xbone?



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SubiyaCryolite said:
amak11 said:
PullusPardus said:
AnthonyW86 said:
''they're much closer to WiiU than you think''

Stopped reading right there.


Explain how thats not true?


As a Wii U hopeful, the Xbox One is closer to the Wii U, the PS4 is a cut above the Xbox One.  Using example numbers (that aren representative of what the consoles are)...

Wii U - 500

Xbox One - 670

PS4 - 700 (how did you arrive at these numbers)

This is putting the raw power difference in perspective with simple numbers. In 5 years, the Wii U games will look as gorgeous as a PS4 and One game can look now (perhaps at 720p, but in 5 years time 720p will be as bad as 480p ecspecially if 4K TVs and content takes off). But in that same time frame developers may sacrifice native resolution of games to achieve greater graphic fidelity on those other consoles. Meaning everything will again be upscaled to 1080p (everything on Wii U can be upscaled to 1080p aswell). The fact of the matter, PC will always be 10 steps ahead of consoles. When the 9th generation comes out, It would be unheard of for consoles not being able to do 1080p 60fps, but people will want their consoles to do 4k and 2k respectively. Sony and MS will push this and Nintendo will remain the unkown figure in this based on speculation. 



They are simple numbers that people can relate to, that's where those numbers came from. Would it be better if I used vehicles as an example? 

jet-powered car - A current gaming PC

700 HP Charger - PS4

670 HP Mustang - Xbox One

500 HP Subaru - Wii U

All different machines that offer different things. In the end, all of them on a straightaway the Charger would be slightly faster than the Mustang, and defintely faster than the Subaru. With tuning in 5 years It wouldn't be that hard to put each of these "cars" at a +100 HP ahead of their current targets. All these things are still slower than a Jet powered car.  

This is pretty much explaining things so anyone could read and say "oh, okay I get it". It helps having a background in marketing. I can easily explain this stuff in laymens terms. 



Comparing consoles to PC is just useless, even if consoles share the same architecture. You won't be able to run brand new games in 2019 on a PC you buy today for 500 bucks, not even on minimal settings. PS4 and X1 will have no problems with that, and I can guarantee you that the graphics will be surprisingly good.

Of course the consoles are by no means supercomputers or anything, but they are powerful enough and offer some hefty advances over PCs like unified RAM, sleek Operating Systems and so on. You just can't compare the two directly, apples and oranges you know...

Try finding a PC from 2005 that runs GTA5. Good luck with that. Hint: You won't find one. Even high end machines from 2005 are pretty much useless for today's games. With a Xbox 360 you can play GTA, Titanfall, Destiny and what not no problem. If you seriously think that it will be any different this time around, you're just delusional imo. While there are some advances in optimizing PC hardware with Mantle and so on, it will never get to the level of consoles, there's just too much hardware around for that. So while your PC hardware might be 300 % more powerful on paper, you can be happy if that translates to 100 % more power in reality.



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PullusPardus said: 

So make yourselves a favor

 


I feel the same about your opinion as I do about your writing.

And I do have access to expensive hardware, so I'm not biased in that way.



Intrinsic said:
Oh another one of these kinda threads.

Ok... I will just assume everything you just said was ur opinion. And if you really think there isn't that much of a difference between the WiiU/PS4/XB1, (which is really strange considering you seem to be fairly tech literate, which in turn now brings to question this thread) then not much can really be said to you.


Once again, your writing is really nice. But that might just be because it looks so grande in contrast with the aggregate.



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You do realize your only feeding the fanboys, they won't listen. Fanboys have self esteem issues and some people in the industry feed off that. Best to leave it be and focus on what you enjoy the most from gaming. I only bought a PS4 for the exclusives and its a cheaper way to play the indies. 



Don’t follow the hype, follow the games

— 

Here a little quote I want for those to keep memorize in your head for this coming next gen.                            

 By: Suke

amak11 said:
SubiyaCryolite said:
amak11 said:
PullusPardus said:
AnthonyW86 said:
''they're much closer to WiiU than you think''

Stopped reading right there.


Explain how thats not true?


As a Wii U hopeful, the Xbox One is closer to the Wii U, the PS4 is a cut above the Xbox One.  Using example numbers (that aren representative of what the consoles are)...

Wii U - 500

Xbox One - 670

PS4 - 700 (how did you arrive at these numbers)

This is putting the raw power difference in perspective with simple numbers. In 5 years, the Wii U games will look as gorgeous as a PS4 and One game can look now (perhaps at 720p, but in 5 years time 720p will be as bad as 480p ecspecially if 4K TVs and content takes off). But in that same time frame developers may sacrifice native resolution of games to achieve greater graphic fidelity on those other consoles. Meaning everything will again be upscaled to 1080p (everything on Wii U can be upscaled to 1080p aswell). The fact of the matter, PC will always be 10 steps ahead of consoles. When the 9th generation comes out, It would be unheard of for consoles not being able to do 1080p 60fps, but people will want their consoles to do 4k and 2k respectively. Sony and MS will push this and Nintendo will remain the unkown figure in this based on speculation. 



They are simple numbers that people can relate to, that's where those numbers came from. Would it be better if I used vehicles as an example? 

jet-powered car - A current gaming PC

700 HP Charger - PS4

670 HP Mustang - Xbox One

500 HP Subaru - Wii U

All different machines that offer different things. In the end, all of them on a straightaway the Charger would be slightly faster than the Mustang, and defintely faster than the Subaru. With tuning in 5 years It wouldn't be that hard to put each of these "cars" at a +100 HP ahead of their current targets. All these things are still slower than a Jet powered car.  

This is pretty much explaining things so anyone could read and say "oh, okay I get it". It helps having a background in marketing. I can easily explain this stuff in laymens terms. 

Those numbers are misleading. Raw teraflop counts are the best benchmark you can use to gauge console performance. That was true for last gen and every gen before that and wont change now. Your numbers push the Wii U up way higher than it should be. The disparity in RAM, clock speed and CPU cores alone makes that even more evident.



I predict that the Wii U will sell a total of 18 million units in its lifetime. 

The NX will be a 900p machine

In PC terms no one would ever consider the Radeon 7770 HD(X1) to be just as good as a Radeon 7870 HD(PS4). And saying that the Radeon 5550HD (Wii U) is almost as good as either of those two is a straight up lie as evidenced by the 720p -> 792/900p -> 1080p heirachy in most 1st and 3rd party games on those systems. And in case you didn't pay attention 720p60 and 900p30 require significantly less resources than 1080p60



I predict that the Wii U will sell a total of 18 million units in its lifetime. 

The NX will be a 900p machine

Richard_Feynman said:
Intrinsic said:
Oh another one of these kinda threads.

Ok... I will just assume everything you just said was ur opinion. And if you really think there isn't that much of a difference between the WiiU/PS4/XB1, (which is really strange considering you seem to be fairly tech literate, which in turn now brings to question this thread) then not much can really be said to you.


Once again, your writing is really nice. But that might just be because it looks so grande in contrast with the aggregate.

Lol... maybe a little of both.

OT: I find these console PC arguments increasingly counterproductive. Its literally like saying; because a really good looking car costs $30k and does 0-60 in 6 seconds anyone who buys it is stupid cause they could have bought a really good looking car for $100k that does 0-60 in 3 secs. 

PC(some) guys look at consoles and start crunching numbers. If this game looks like this on a console that has this amount of teraflops and ram and badwidth...etc, then on a PC with this and that it should be this much or that much better looking. While conveniently completely ignoring the fact that the game ACTUALLY LOOKS GOOD on the console. Or the look at a game like destiny, infamous or killzone and say.."meh, doesn't look that hot and its only running at 30fps" as if 60fps somehow makes a game look next gen or whatever. 

The way i see it, if a PC guy takes a GPU that in of itself costs more than a PS4, then starts comparing it to the PS4.... that PC guy has got a very serious inferiority complex. I mean pick on someone your own size. Once upon a time the PC games fought with themselves, cause consoles couldn't hold a cndle to them. If you ask me, its a compliment that every PC fanboy or fansite feels the urge to compare their stuff with the PS4/XB1.



PullusPardus said:

 

Okay this isn't "PC Is better" this is just how much "Next Gen" are "PS4/XB1" consoles are?

I am really tired of explaining how underpowered those two consoles are, you as a console gamer should not buy these consoles for their graphics (actually don't buy anything for graphics thats just stupid), because they are not really much technically advanced compared to PS3 / Xbox 360, and they're much closer to WiiU than you think, the difference is that Wii U doesn't use PC architecture so thats why porting it on there is hard (not really hard compared to PS3 but why make an effort when its so easier to port it on PS4/XB1) , This is why games like Arkham Knight are "next gen exclusive" it has NOTHING to do with "dumbed down for last gen" thats the most idiotic statement ever , its just that they don't want to bother porting them on PS3/Xbox 360 because those are "Hard" to port on, think of it like this , PS3 /360 is like re-writing a text file made on Notepad to re-publish it using a typewriter on paper , however on PS4/XB1 those consoles are made by the same thing the PC was made of, so instead of using a typewriter and publishing it on paper, you can just "copy" the whole text file and "paste" it on both consoles, INSTANT PROFIT ! , you can also try to persuade previous console owners that "ohhh this is next gen!" and they will just buy into it easily, and now you have a bigger cash cow filled with bullshit to conter the mobile phone market

Sony and Microsoft DID NOT MAKE THESE to be "next gen" they made them to be "Easier to develop on" to attract indie developers and mobile developers, they made it PC architect to make games easily ported from Steam to their consoles, arguing about how much more powerful one is to the other and then showing P.R bullshit said by Sony and Microsoft as an argument is just fucking stupid , no offense, they want you to warrant a purchase but you're not getting "Next Gen graphics!!!" you're getting "Easier to develop on" consoles, now you go on and talk about AAAAAAAA (infinite As) game development you don't really understand that AAA is what they are trying to AVOID here, as they are trying to lose less and earn more this time around, they're not trying to push game development at all, and thanks to PR bullshit you are getting sucked into the hype of "next gen" 

So make yourselves a favor and buy the consoles to play games not argue about graphics, and if you REALLY REAAAAAAAAAALLYY want to have "Dem graphix" (not worth it since most games that are released by big studios suck to be honest) then just get yourself a PC and enjoy wasting your money on crap like Watch Dogs. 

I'm not sure what you're saying here. If the ps4 isn't "next gen graphics" then what the hell is lol? Sure, game wise it's a bit slow for the early adopters, but that's always the case when a new console generation starts. However, I'm pretty sure we will see a ton of big budget, quality games that are designed from the ground up around these new consoles. I'm also sure they will look miles ahead of anything we seen before on last gen consoles and even pc. Hopefully most of them will get ported over to pc but, unfortunately, you will need a NASA super computer to run them at decent settings. And I don't care what the guy in the video said, Watch Dogs is a pretty good example of a game that most pc gamers can't play at a decent framerate because they don't have a gpu with 2 or 3 gigs of VRAM and a 8 core cpu.