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WagnerPaiva said:
2 billion people over there, 1% market penetration in these numbers would mean 20 million consoles. It is potentially a 100 million consoles market (considering that 5% of the population can afford and is interested in gaming), so, Sony better hurry, a company can make a lot of money in China.

Just think about Brazil: it sucks, but the market was big enough to justify sony instaling a factory in here. China is much more promissing.


The math doesn't support that when you examine the details. The absolute vast majority of the population lives in astonishing poverty, and there are hundreds of ethnic minorities that have wildly varied cultures and languages. Then you have a working class that slaves themselves to death trying to make it working for the industrial sector of the economy, but these people have almost no discretionary income nor time to spend on gaming. Up the ladder from there you have similar people in lower and middle management, but they have to work just as insanely hard, so they also have no time. Families are very tight and savings is a huge deal to them, so spending on a luxury item would be sacrilege. On the go is also paramount, so the relatively small numbers that can afford such items tend to buy mobile stuff, from android/iPhone to small tablets or macbook airs for the wealthy. Boiling it down, the actual group of people that can buy a $500 console are very tiny overall. To further complicate things, $500 buys someone a respectable PC, which is far more understood to the Chinese consumer compared to a console, and far more capable for multipurpose and economy use. China will prove to be an utter failure for Sony and Microsoft in the console business. Nintendo has a shot, with a cheap handheld, but even that is a tough sell honestly.



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kitler53 said:
Puppyroach said:
It will be very interesting to see if either X1 or PS4 can get any traction in China. It is a market heavily flooded with piracy and PC seems to be the main choice for alot of people instead of consoles. Anything can change though.


yeah, that's the other hard part of consoles in china.   as long as piracy isn't discouraged in china why would anyone decides to go from free games to really expensive games in an economy where a vast majority have very little money?

i get that they have to start somewhere.  i get that they will have to invest some into creating the market in china.   ..but things are going to be rough.

Makes promoting those console exclusives all the more important. Would be a bit of a larf if MS, Sony and Ninty all collaborate in producing console exclusive multiplats to increase the library of games that are only available on console, to try to eat into that PC market.



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its a reasonable price at least.



 

Puppyroach said:
It will be very interesting to see if either X1 or PS4 can get any traction in China. It is a market heavily flooded with piracy and PC seems to be the main choice for alot of people instead of consoles. Anything can change though.

I will repeat myself but there won't be any success for consoles over there. Some guys already live in China and they said all the consoles are already available over there easily on shop (import market) and black market for a lower price. Nobody buys it.

 



WebMasterFlex said:
Puppyroach said:
It will be very interesting to see if either X1 or PS4 can get any traction in China. It is a market heavily flooded with piracy and PC seems to be the main choice for alot of people instead of consoles. Anything can change though.

I will repeat myself but there won't be any success for consoles over there. Some guys already live in China and they said all the consoles are already available over there easily on shop (import market) and black market for a lower price. Nobody buys it.

 


So, Microsoft and Sony will burn millions in a hopeless endevour?

They used to say the same thing about Brazil.



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Dark_Feanor said:
WebMasterFlex said:
Puppyroach said:
It will be very interesting to see if either X1 or PS4 can get any traction in China. It is a market heavily flooded with piracy and PC seems to be the main choice for alot of people instead of consoles. Anything can change though.

I will repeat myself but there won't be any success for consoles over there. Some guys already live in China and they said all the consoles are already available over there easily on shop (import market) and black market for a lower price. Nobody buys it.

 


So, Microsoft and Sony will burn millions in a hopeless endevour?

They used to say the same thing about Brazil.


Please be excited.

Do you see Sony/MS/Nintendo in a hurry to put "officially" their consoles over there ? Brazil is really a game changer ? Don't believe me if you want. Just report what some people who live over there said.

I know you want to believe since Xbone even lost US. Sorry to bring you back to Earth...



LOL.



September is going to be a good month for Xbox! Also with that Euro Fifa 15/Forza 5 bundle, X1 will finally gain some traction.



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WebMasterFlex said:


Please be excited.

Do you see Sony/MS/Nintendo in a hurry to put "officially" their consoles over there ? Brazil is really a game changer ? Don't believe me if you want. Just report what some people who live over there said.

I know you want to believe since Xbone even lost US. Sorry to bring you back to Earth...

I wouldn't believe anecdotal evidence blindly if I were you. Consoles in Brazil are really a luxury item.

I mean they're expensive as hell even in the black market. Microsoft is selling X1 significantly lower than PS4 over there, they may have a chance of good sales.

Plus, you think PS4 is gonna continue outselling Xbox in US? This is just the beggining friend a gen is not just 1 year on consoles life.



WebMasterFlex said:
Dark_Feanor said:
WebMasterFlex said:
Puppyroach said:
It will be very interesting to see if either X1 or PS4 can get any traction in China. It is a market heavily flooded with piracy and PC seems to be the main choice for alot of people instead of consoles. Anything can change though.

I will repeat myself but there won't be any success for consoles over there. Some guys already live in China and they said all the consoles are already available over there easily on shop (import market) and black market for a lower price. Nobody buys it.

 


So, Microsoft and Sony will burn millions in a hopeless endevour?

They used to say the same thing about Brazil.


Please be excited.

Do you see Sony/MS/Nintendo in a hurry to put "officially" their consoles over there ? Brazil is really a game changer ? Don't believe me if you want. Just report what some people who live over there said.

I know you want to believe since Xbone even lost US. Sorry to bring you back to Earth...


Brazil is leading to be the third biggest market for game, it will be fourth if China takes off.

Piracy has dwindle a lot since the inception of XBox Live and PSN. Steam, LoL and WoW also helped the official market.

Grey market is still cheaper, but the risks are bigger and there are fewer incetives.

The funny part is that my post has nothing to do with Microsoft winning sales over the PS4. I was very clear that both are investing heavilly in their China´s launch. I would report your post, but it is good to show how you don´t even bother reading the posts before you quote.