This is the kind of irrationality that ssems to be driving these pompous, snobbish rants against "indie" games. If a game is fun to play who cares if it is 4 hours or 400 hours? Except with the cost of the game I don't care, I'll play them. If we were talking about these smaller bite sized games costing $59.99 then perhaps we coould take all the fervor over the indie market serious but that simply isn't the case.

And I really find your statement on PCs funny because a good gaming PC will run you more than a $400 console and you'll find a plethora of indie titles for the PC so I'm not sure how your point on price means anything here. And no the time taken for development time would most certainly NOT be the same. If there wasn't a regular release of games developers would be under the gun to deliver their games on time so that gamers would have something to buy for their consoles. I've been through all eight console generations. I can honestly say this is the BEST games drought I have ever seen on a console.

Some gamers are a curious bunch, shit on devs for pushing out shoddy half-baked games requiring patches on the backend or never actually finishing them but then rail against them taking extra time to get the games right and then blame it all on the recent surge in popularity of indie titles.

PS4 is selling very well and I think plenty of well reasoned gamers are enjoying their $400 purchases by playing all the great games, indie or AAA, that are available right now. I feel sorry for people who are so caught up in this AAA or die mentality as they are most likely suffering the worst case of buyers remorse ever.

Again, this is a good thing.

The vast majority of indie games are NOT fun or enjoyable, they are a sea of garbage. Yes, on occasion, a Shovel Knight is going to pop out of the woodwork. Most of the time, though, you just have to wade through derivative garbage. Indie games do not make a games library, they make a cesspool. They are simply there to get your eyes off the fact that that shiny 400$ crippled PC you bought named "Playstation 4" has next to no games for you to play on it because the companies decided to try and arms race with PCs and shot their development times through the roofs. This whole flood of AAA or Indie is actually terrible for the industry because the gap in titles of AAA is filled with trash indie projects for the most part, and studios start taking less and less risks on AA or middle-ground projects.

If you wanted to build a PC to the quality of a console? It'd be about the same price with an OS that did stuff. Building a PC for more than 400$ will get you a lot more as well. Please try to be realistic here, there is nothing magical or expensive in a console.

This is not a good thing.

Go see a doctor, they'll cure your cancer!

More seriously, people are kind of strange, it's not like the indies that make it to PS4 are amateur hour either (get an Ouya for this, they will publish anything on their platform, for better or for worst).

Compare the list of available games on the PS4 to the list of games the XB1 has, there are two main conclusions to take:

1 - They have about the same number of AAA or AAA exclusives (or just smallish games from the big publishers, titles like Strider and the Child of Light)

2 - The PS4 has about twice as many games mainly because it has the most indie titles, that allowed PS4 owners to get something new almost every week of the year so far!

To think they are penialized for their presence is just norational, they have to be xb1 owners posing as PS4 owners, otherwise I can't see why they complain (unless they compare the over all year 2013 to year 2014... I think 2013 was a great year for games, 2014 is good, but it did not have anything like Bioshockinfinite, the last of us, thomb raider.. etc.)

To everyone saying "Indies suck!" or something similar, I usually just show them No mans sky and tell them it's only about 8 people working on that. After that most people usually just shuts up. Also alot of the people complaining about indies also play minecraft #hypocrits

Somehow, I just don't "get" Journey and Flower. I've seen videos and it just seems like the goal is to marvel at the landscape or something I do not comprehend. Will look into Rainbow Moon

No way MH is AAA. Graphics are technologically low end, (strong for their systems, but usually on lower end devices) no voice acting... the budget would be firmly mid tier.

In my opinion, it's not the "indie" devs that are the problem, but rather the quality control. Look no further than the self-publishing system on Steam. The policies are so lax that basically anything can be published. While Sony's indie program is nowhere near that level, it still has some quality control issues. If Sony tightens up on what goes through to the PS Store, then we should see less people complaining about indie games.

Also, indie devs don't have the luxury of having a lot of money on hand. Some of us may not like them, but at the same time, they need to earn money. I think it's our job to help them. After all, we control where our money goes to. The good indies will be rewarded with our purchases while the bad ones won't. The bad ones will eventually go away because they won't have enough money to make more games while the good ones can continue.

Sooo... is this like how a fairy dies every time you say you don't believe in them? o.o

I do understand where you're coming from, and really can't understand the criticism. Heck, if I wanted to avoid shit indie games, I'd stop gaming on PC, not PS4. o.O Say what you will about the PS4 bringing in shovelware, but Steam, THERE'S a breeding ground for some of the most broken, unusable, outright insane money-grubbing bullcrap on the face of the planet, and while there are certainly good ones on there that won't be coming to PS4, the amount of bile-inducing trash on the platform is rising at an alarming rate because its Greenlight gateway just does. Not. Work. I mean Jesus, there was a game being sold that was missing the friggin executive file! Just... wasn't there!

But that's just part of the downside of an open platform (and before anyone jumps down my throat, yeeeesss, PC Master Race, Steam sales, yada yada yada, but seriously, you can't deny that the floodgates are wiiiide open on this tripe,) that has to be accepted along with its many, many perks. I seriously, direly hope Sony does NOT take a page from Steam's book in terms of how it accepts indie games, and it actually shows a modicum of restraint. -_-

...I'd say the same for the Xbox One, but Soda Drinker Pro's coming to that, so ship's sailed!

(Pleeease nobody break my heart and tell me if Soda Drinker Pro's come to PS4 yet. I'm holding out hope that the abomination will never surface. >.> )

I don't play indie games and this has never happened in any generation until last generation. So I am not suppose to complain when there are no games that I want to play?

I just tend to think that the more games there are, the better. I am odd though, I play games to enjoy them not to complain about them.