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Angelv577 said:
I'm sure ps4 will do it, just needs to attract Xbox 360 customers and it will be fine.

That's just not going to happen. Xbox 360 customers are just too satisfied already.

@OP I disagree, PS4 is tracking well above PS3 and has much less competition.



Puppyroach said:
Scoobes said:
 

DVdownDs were affordable by year 3 of the PS2s life cycle (and as ubiquitous as video streaming services today), so by that point the PS2 was a pretty expensive DVD player if you wanted a primary DVD player. The whole DVD selling point only really helped push the console for the first year or two. By year 3, even myself as a poor 18yr old student had access to 3 pieces of electronic equipment that could play DVDs. 

The strange thing is you're right in that PS4 doesn't have a truly unique selling point. Only a few major exclusives, upper-mid level PC tech, streaming services similar to the competition and it's not even the cheapest console on the market. Yet it has still sold a ridiculous number of units.

Going forward, if Sony did nothing to rectify this then the sales would drop, but we know they have things in the works. We've yet to see the impact of VR or the release of major next-gen exclusives. And as is the course with consoles, Sony will have unannounced projects and will release hardware/software to expand on the consoles capabilities thereby extending the lifetime sales of the console (as will Nintendo and Microsoft).

Now, will it push past Wii.. yes I think it will, for the simple reason that Nintendo pre-maturely stopped Wii software support. The Wii could have sold so much more than it did, but sales fell off the proverbial cliff after year 4 due to a lack of support. I don't see that happening with PS4. Why? Well, GT7 probably won't come out until year 4 anyway

Yes, DVD:s dropped in price, but by then PS2 had already become ahousehold name. It also offered something noone else could: DVD and a gaming machine in one. MS offered the same but was completely new to the market and more focused on the US.

To further look into how early sales are no indication on longterm sales, look at this:

PS2 first year: 1,41M

PS3 first year: 3,61M

PS2 second year: 9,2M

PS3 second year: 9,24M

Even PS3 outsold PS2 during the first two years, yet ended up with about half the sales. The generations become more and more frontloaded and I think his is a hard callenge for Sony, MS and Nintendo. Sony are way better than Nintendo at supporting their machine with software but even they know the burden it takes on the finances when you keep producing dedicvated gaming machines. You make more money selling only software.


But the PS4 isnt just barely tracking ahead its about 5 mil ahead with that said to match LTD sales including year 3 of PS2 all it will have to sell in year 3 is 15mil which it seems likly. Thats without considerin the year two gap may continue to increasencome this holiday.



ExplodingBlock said:

Recently with alot of peoples predictions, they said they think will think PS4 will sell over 100 million units

While I admit, the PS4 is doing great but if you look at the sales of the PS3 it was selling 150k every week and that didn't even do 90m, plus it was on the market for 7+ years

The only way I think it can pass 100m is if it is on the market for 9+ years and continues to sell after the PS5 comes out

But that's extactly what will happen: the PS4 will sell for more than 9 years and after its successor, like any other PlayStation console did.

However, I do believe it will only take 7 years for it to reach the 100M mark, once the competition is not that strong this time around (which is something you are not taking into account).



Prediction made in 14/01/2014 for 31/12/2020:      PS4: 100M      XOne: 70M      WiiU: 25M

Prediction made in 01/04/2016 for 31/12/2020:      PS4: 100M      XOne: 50M      WiiU: 18M

Prediction made in 15/04/2017 for 31/12/2020:      PS4: 90M      XOne: 40M      WiiU: 15M      Switch: 20M

Prediction made in 24/03/2018 for 31/12/2020:      PS4: 110M      XOne: 50M      WiiU: 14M      Switch: 65M

ExplodingBlock said:

Recently with alot of peoples predictions, they said they think will think PS4 will sell over 100 million units

While I admit, the PS4 is doing great but if you look at the sales of the PS3 it was selling 150k every week and that didn't even do 90m, plus it was on the market for 7+ years

The only way I think it can pass 100m is if it is on the market for 9+ years and continues to sell after the PS5 comes out

Not in its first year on market.

 Its sales would jump from 70k-120k obviously excluding the holiday anf major releases... The PS4 so far has been selling better and more consistently based on hype and cross gen/multiplatform releases (watchdogs, Fifa, COD). I imagine its sales will peak far above the PS3's peak once next gen exclusive games get released on it. Also Microsoft isn't as much competition, so it should steal more of the market if things continue along this trajectory.

Lets not forget that with PS4 sony could actually reach $199 before 2017, its already selling at a profit at $399 according to sony.

Finally, I can' t see the PS4 having a shorter shelf life then 7 years. If anything this is the generation where we may finally see 0.5 type console relaunch, with sony or microsoft releasing souped up version of the ps4 or Xbox One, fully backwars compatible to try and compete with mid-range PC benchmarks in few years from now.



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Xevross said:
Angelv577 said:
I'm sure ps4 will do it, just needs to attract Xbox 360 customers and it will be fine.

That's just not going to happen. Xbox 360 customers are just too satisfied already.

@OP I disagree, PS4 is tracking well above PS3 and has much less competition.


Lets see how satisfied they are when their system can't play Assassins Creed Unity, Batman Arkham Knight and the Witcher 3. 



teigaga said:
Xevross said:
Angelv577 said:
I'm sure ps4 will do it, just needs to attract Xbox 360 customers and it will be fine.

That's just not going to happen. Xbox 360 customers are just too satisfied already.

@OP I disagree, PS4 is tracking well above PS3 and has much less competition.


Lets see how satisfied they are when their system can't play Assassins Creed Unity, Batman Arkham Knight and the Witcher 3. 

I don't think they'll be very satisfied. But shhhh don't tell Yusuf Mehdi



That sales hype is really making people crazy! Also no poll?!? So much missed potential >.<

Trending above a console in the 1st couple of months means nothing. 3DS trended above the DS. Doesn't mean 3DS will outsell the DS. PS4 will soon trend below PS2 as the sales gap shrinks. From July to October PS2 sold over 300k a month in U.S. Unless Europe makes up for lack of sales the trending above claim will be null and void. As for PS3 it might stay above for awhile but sales didn't explode until Sept 2009. (I remember because I was there)

Also for it selling over 100 million. No. This generation will end earlier. Nintendo does not really believe in long console cycles since their 1st party titles does not work that way. They usually have a 5 to 6 year life cycle. Next console will release in about 2017 to 2018. Meaning next gen will start at 2019. Unless PS4 explodes to PS2 levels it won't happen. MS might release early to since the Xbone will start trending below 360 and is getting slaughtered

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Puppyroach said:
Scoobes said:

DVDs were affordable by year 3 of the PS2s life cycle (and as ubiquitous as video streaming services today), so by that point the PS2 was a pretty expensive DVD player if you wanted a primary DVD player. The whole DVD selling point only really helped push the console for the first year or two. By year 3, even myself as a poor 18yr old student had access to 3 pieces of electronic equipment that could play DVDs. 

The strange thing is you're right in that PS4 doesn't have a truly unique selling point. Only a few major exclusives, upper-mid level PC tech, streaming services similar to the competition and it's not even the cheapest console on the market. Yet it has still sold a ridiculous number of units.

Going forward, if Sony did nothing to rectify this then the sales would drop, but we know they have things in the works. We've yet to see the impact of VR or the release of major next-gen exclusives. And as is the course with consoles, Sony will have unannounced projects and will release hardware/software to expand on the consoles capabilities thereby extending the lifetime sales of the console (as will Nintendo and Microsoft).

Now, will it push past Wii.. yes I think it will, for the simple reason that Nintendo pre-maturely stopped Wii software support. The Wii could have sold so much more than it did, but sales fell off the proverbial cliff after year 4 due to a lack of support. I don't see that happening with PS4. Why? Well, GT7 probably won't come out until year 4 anyway

Yes, DVD:s dropped in price, but by then PS2 had already become ahousehold name. It also offered something noone else could: DVD and a gaming machine in one. MS offered the same but was completely new to the market and more focused on the US.

To further look into how early sales are no indication on longterm sales, look at this:

PS2 first year: 1,41M

PS3 first year: 3,61M

PS2 second year: 9,2M

PS3 second year: 9,24M

Even PS3 outsold PS2 during the first two years, yet ended up with about half the sales. The generations become more and more frontloaded and I think his is a hard callenge for Sony, MS and Nintendo. Sony are way better than Nintendo at supporting their machine with software but even they know the burden it takes on the finances when you keep producing dedicvated gaming machines. You make more money selling only software.

Where's that data from? After a google search I found this:

Which is supposedly based on VGChartz numbers. It was done back in 2010 but doesn't match with your numbers.

Edit- Wait a sec, I think I found the data you were referencing (from financial reports) in which case the numbers need to be put into context.

1.41 million Yr 1 PS2 sales accounts for less than 1 month of sales in Japan only; 3.61 million Yr 1 PS3 sales accounts for 5 months in Japan and the US

9.2 million Yr 2 PS2 sales accounts for first full year of sales in Japan, plus 5 and 6 months of sales in the EU and US respectively; 9.24 million Yr 2 PS3 sales accounts for the first full year of sales in all three major regions.

In that context, it doesn't look so good for early PS3 sales. You could apply this regional context for PS4 and in US/EU (and overall) it still looks good for PS4 considering it's at 8.4 million in the space of 8 months. Japan looks to be a bit of a bust by comparison, but overall, it's still on course to beat 100 million lifetime sales.



garretslarrity said:
I think people sometimes forget that the PS2 sold 150M because it sold a lot to casuals, just as the Wii did, but for different reasons.

Well, that and it was cheap and had a shit ton of games for it. It appealed to every audience. Plus it was one of the cheapest DVD players on the market at the time. They kind of hit the bulls eye with everything on that one. 
The whole "casuals" thing is BS. It's just people trying to be "hard core" or whatever. Name one game that isn't casual. It has nothing to do with difficulty or lack there of. Simplicity of play doesn't really tell either. FPS is just point and shoot. Side scroller is just run and jump. Or punch and kick. Sports, same sort of idea. Strategy just requires thinking ahead and a bit of wait for it.... strategy. RPG's are like reading books that are interactive. All casual. They are just games. 



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