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Forums - Sales Discussion - June 2014 NPD Thread! PS4: 269k, XBO: 197k, Wii U: 140k

drake_tolu on 18 July 2014
TheSource said:

These are my guesses for the year.

 

  January February March April May June July August September October November December
Wii  15,000 25,000 28,000 18,000 11,000 19,000 10,000 9,000 15,000 20,000 40,000 65,000
Xbox 360 48,000 114,000 111,000 71,000 57,000 62,000 44,000 40,000 51,000 45,000 100,000 180,000
PS3 55,000 103,000 67,000 35,000 36,000 43,000 30,000 28,000 30,000 27,000 50,000 75,000
DS 5,000 6,000 8,000 0 0              
PSP 2,000 4,000 5,000 0 0              
3DS 120,000 155,000 159,000 106,000 91,000 152,000 140,000 128,000 155,000 180,000 420,000 850,000
Vita 20,000 15,000 10,000 3,000 57,000 15,000 12,000 14,000 15,000 17,000 30,000 45,000
Wii U 49,000 82,000 70,000 49,000 60,000 140,000 100,000 90,000 120,000 160,000 285,000 500,000
X720 142,000 258,000 311,000 115,000 78,000 197,000 140,000 125,000 150,000 140,000 300,000 550,000
PS4 271,000 280,000 371,000 199,000 192,000 269,000 210,000 200,000 220,000 240,000 500,000 1,100,000

I said:

hardware January February March April May June July August September October November December
3DS 120,000 155,000 159,000 106,000 91,000 152,000 128,000 98,000 133,000 195,000 700,000 1,300,000
Vita 20,000 15,000 10,000 3,000 57,000 15,000 10,000 7,500 12,000 17,000 40,000 45,000
Wii U 49,000 82,000 70,000 49,000 60,000 140,000 100,000 87,000 128,000 180,000 500,000 800,000
X720 142,000 258,000 311,000 115,000 78,000 197,000 137,000 105,000 170,000 210,000 600,000 900,000
PS4 271,000 280,000 371,000 199,000 192,000 269,000 212,000 190,000 420,000 460,000 750,000 1,200,000


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Boutros on 18 July 2014
BraLoD said:
Boutros said:

Only a 20k boost for Destiny month?

He's still calling the Xbox One by X720...

He's either incredibly lazy or completely oblivious xd



RubberWhistleHistle on 18 July 2014
CGI-Quality said:
RubberWhistleHistle said:
CGI-Quality said:

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i was just saying youre looking at it from a fan perspective because you say "shallow victory" as if im a nintendo fan (which i am) looking for any kind of edge. im happy that the wii u is selling better, but my comparison has nothing to do with which console do you prefer better, therefore shallow victory has nothing to do with this.

still dont see how my comparison is unrealistic. ps4 was at 57% so far this year, and that number is declining. im simply making the claim that its going to go under 50%. that like... it. 

I actually used the word "hollow". In fact, I made no implication about a supported side at all, I just merely find you comparison to be unrealistic, and your claims of the PS4 declining to be without a realistic mathematical backing.

there is no hollow victory, i was either right or wrong. 

ps4's marketshare has declined after this month. i thought i made that abundantly clear. you have yet to say why the comparison is unrealistic. the numbers are close, and either side can be right.. i dont see how its unrealistic.

its ok to just admit that you missed something or that you were wrong. i do it all the time. youre not going to die.



drake_tolu on 18 July 2014
Boutros said:
BraLoD said:
Boutros said:

Only a 20k boost for Destiny month?

He's still calling the Xbox One by X720...

He's either incredibly lazy or completely oblivious xd

For me XBOX 720 is better that One.



thismeintiel on 18 July 2014

I think it's interesting that there is still a 300K gap between the Wii and 360. Guessing the 360 should tie it near the holidays. The final lead the 360 has will definitely be less than 1M, though.



 

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RubberWhistleHistle on 18 July 2014
CGI-Quality said:
RubberWhistleHistle said:
CGI-Quality said:

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there is no hollow victory, i was either right or wrong. 

ps4's marketshare has declined after this month. i thought i made that abundantly clear. you have yet to say why the comparison is unrealistic. the numbers are close, and either side can be right.. i dont see how its unrealistic.

its ok to just admit that you missed something or that you were wrong. i do it all the time. youre not going to die.

It's hollow because it lacks significance. Had you been battling an army, I'd have thought differently.

Next, you made your point about the PS4's decline "abundantly clear", but it's also fruitless. Things decline the closer we get to Summer, + Summer. That's nothing new. However, your comparison makes it seem like there's some permanent decline for one + a permanent uptick for the others (combined), which I find unrealistic in the current situation (in addition to the comparsion of to the act comparing multiple machines versus one in the first place - which I've already explained to you).

When you can show me where I am wrong, I'll peacefully bow out of this. Thus far, you've not accomplished that feat, despite your claims to the contrary.

ok, i see more of the reason why youre saying its unrealistic. you have not explained what you meant by that at all yet, so i was left guessing.

im talking about a relative decline. marketshare is all relative, so it doesnt matter if summer is a slow period for console sales. so im not really sure that has anything to do with it. reasons for the increase in wii u and xbone are obvious, and the decline for ps4 is obvious too.. ps4 has done virtually nothing, as most people have pointed out, while ms and ninty made moves. are junes numbers indicative for the rest of the year? thats the question here. im willing to be they are. we all know mario kart and many other nintendo games have been titles with huge legs. this is going to sustain sales. also keep in mind that a HUGE amount of people are waiting for the wii u. people dont want to pay 300 dollars for this machine, but they want one. im not sure the same can be said for ps4. very rarely do you hear about people waiting it out to buy one. xbox one, im willing to bet this price cut and master chief collection are going to keep sales at a point that, when combined with wii u, will be more than ps4. sony will get a huge boost from destiny while nobody else benefits from that, we all know this. will that plus anything else they have keep them above 50% marketshare? im not certain, but i am willing to bet that no, its not; there's too much good shit on the other side for me to see this happening.

the point that we are arguing, however, has nothing to do with anything i just wrote. the argument we are having is whether or not its a fair comparison, and that point, i believe you should bow out of because again, as ive stated, the numbers are close enough (57% before this month for ps4) to where either side can be right. its not like somebody is saying xbone+ps4 vs wii u, thats clearly an unrealistic comparison.

and i reread your response to me for good measure, and you did mention the 2 to 1 console comparison which i dont understand why you have a problem with it.. it has happened every generation since microsoft entered the market. ps2 oldsold the other two combined handily, as did wii for a good length of time, and ps4 has done it most of the time up to this point. its something people discuss. there is nothing wrong with it.



Vitafitistheking on 18 July 2014

Domination baby


Jmurph,Kowenicki,DarkFEanor,Sales please report in

Whats your excuse now?
Same price for both consoles still no chance
Baseline for the X1 will be much lower after June - June sales had the pricecut effect and still no chance.
Whats next up your chalkboard you clowns?
Sunset Overdrive the savior?

Or is it that the PS4 is the best Console on the market currently?
That it has everything going for them?
MORE POWER
BETTER GAMES
BIGGER BRAND FOR GAMING
CONSOLE FOR CORE GAMING

DOMINATION
THE KING IS HERE AND WILL STAY!

PLEASE tighten your seat belts Jmurph,Kowenicki,DarkFeanor and crew
YOU WILL SPIN A LOT IN THIS GEN!DON'T FALL OUT OF YOUR SPINMOBIL!

BUT BUT WAIT TILL HALO 5!!!!
HAHAHAHAHA

OMG they use X1s for MLG GAMING!!!IT IS SO COOL
YEAH THEY SURELY ARE HAPPY TO PLAY in fucking 480p with 20fps while they could play on PS4 in 1080p/60fps HAHAHAHAHA

 

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fatslob-:O on 18 July 2014
Smear-Gel said:

Your very first comment to me was putting the blame for the inscessant ps4 vs wii u threads SOLELY on Nintendo fans. Most of your responses are about trying to say Sony fans rarely engage in argumentative behaviour, but Nintendo fans are all over acting that way. All my replies are based on saying that's not the case.  Your comments are the ones exaggerating.

I have not once said Nintendo fans dont act just as silly, because they do. All the fanbases do. I do have an opinion on which fanbase is most annoying but that has nothing to do with this at all.

And while the "show me or you're wrong!" argument is silly because no-one keeps a mental log of everything they do on this site just to reply to comments like this, I do remember someone being certain the Wii U would do sub 10K in Japan a specific week and he was wrong and still found some way to insult nintendo fans for being right that it didnt.

I think your actually confused here ... 

This was about whether or not PS fans sparked a PS4 vs WII U war but based on what I've seen on vgchartz those PS fans are more interested in a PS4 vs X1 fights so how exactly are you NOT over exaggerating an issue ? I'm not saying that Sony fans don't engage in arguments but I'm asking exactly where the passive aggression is being made between the PS4 or WII U. I didn't say that it was solely on Nintendo fans who caused it. What I said was that most PS fans have moved on which is entirely different to what your insinuating. 

That is the only way to do it ... You either show up some evidence or you don't have a case and based off what I've seen recently the PS fans aren't the ones mass dooming the WII U compared to the X1. If anything their quiet about it looking at this thread. 

Yes I get that there has being a lot of fighting between Sony and Nintendo fans these past few days due to TLOU remastered or some other crap but show me sufficient evidence where either Nintendo or PS fans are sparking a PS4 VS WII U argument ... 

Just because some hypothetical PS fans that you think of go on about possibly trolling the WII U does not mean that it will devolve into some console war rather than a bunch of insults. 



Devil_Survivor on 18 July 2014
WebMasterFlex said:
wary-wallaroo said:

I bet VGC over tracked the X1 by at least 25k, and under tracked the PS4 by around the same. How many months will that make it that they do the same, exact thing? 3 or 4?


This...


Yeah you can always count on at least one person to make a post like that in every NPD thread :(.



 

RubberWhistleHistle on 18 July 2014
CGI-Quality said:
RubberWhistleHistle said:
CGI-Quality said:

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and i reread your response to me for good measure, and you did mention the 2 to 1 console comparison which i dont understand why you have a problem with it.. it has happened every generation since microsoft entered the market. ps2 oldsold the other two combined handily, as did wii for a good length of time, and ps4 has done it most of the time up to this point. its something people discuss. there is nothing wrong with it.

The rest offered clarity, so I'll just briefly tackle this bit. I have a problem with that type of comparison because I find that it puts a spin on things. People have actually been doing this since gen 5 (when we finally had three solid competitors). Doesn't mean doing so is, necessarily, right/wrong - it's just a pet-peeve.

well that i can understand. although i dont share that sentiment. doesnt bother me if people compare 2 consoles to 1. 50% marketshare at the end of the generation is a milestone, and people usually want to see that for their favorite console. so its always going to be there.

not to put a spin on anything, but the very source of this comparison being something i talk about started with sony fans coming out of the woodworks claiming SECOND COMING OF THE PS2!! back to the glory days and all this.. while the whole time, i really didn't think that the gap was going to be that wide. and in fact, recent trends are making me believe that it wont even outsell both combined which really puts to rest that whole idea. anyway, thats why i made that thread.