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Zod95 said:

1 - I did a comparison and I was right about it, regardless whether you think it's fair or not. You can criticize the comparison, you can't tell I'm wrong.

2 - That is your reasoning. Mine is: PS3 started at 600€ and got to the 400€ price point on 2008, PS4 is at 400€ since the beginning. Today PS4 is doing poorly when compared to PS3 at the same price. But since the price doesn't seem to be an issue for you, then compare the PS4 with the Wii and see what happens (it was doing around 250k per week on the "equivalent" period!).

3 - How do you classify PS4 sales today? Do you think it's a good sign when people can only accept the challenge of comparing it to the PS3 (which was lagging behind the competition on the last generation)?

It's not about you being fair, it's about you being wrong. The PS3 got it's price drop around the same time it's library was ramping up, so your comparison in that regard is null and void. As for your Wii comparison, the Wii was a fad. It sold gangbusters for a time because of a fun, gimmicky motion controller aimed at Soccer moms and grandmothers, not gamers. Sales eventually fell off a cliff, while PS3 and 360 kept going strong. The Wii U's failure is further evidence of the Wii's fad status......the fad has passed. The great majority of people who bought the Wii moved on to mobile gaming and ignored the Wii U. With as much shovelware crap as the Wii had, it would have sold far, far, FAR less than it did had it not had motion control.  Comparing ANY console sales to the Wii is futile; because it was an anomaly, the market is returning to normal. As for your 3rd point, I'll bite. Compared to the Xbox 360's first summer, it too is being greatly outsold the by the PS4 during the same time period. So, the PS4 is therefore not only outselling the PS3, it's outselling the 360 as well. So, yes. You ARE wrong no matter how you spin it.



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Zod95 said:
mornelithe said:

My graphic?  You are addressing charts and comments to me that are not for me.  Please stop.

Yes, the graphic you quoted and made comments on supporting it. And my comments to you are also valid to Dr.Henry_Killinger, who posted the graphic but wasn't able to write comments he could stand for.

Your graphic is one big fallacy since it has little to do with the comparison I made in the first place. The point still remains and you didn't, you won't, you can't say a word about that.

 

mornelithe said:

And the point still remains, what's the purpose of including 2008 in this discussion, when the present day equivalent 2015, hasn't even begun yet?

The price point, like I said for several times but you continue to ignore what you can't counter-argue.

Whoa whoa whoa, the reason I didn't post any comments was not because I couldn't but because I didn't need to because it was obvious that you were wrong and refused to admit it.

All you're doing is changing goalposts when the goal posts are proven wrong.

Ironically, you said that I forgot about the Wii when you are the one who told me to compare the PS4 to the PS3 not to the Wii.



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overman1 said:

Dude give it a rest. the Ps4 is selling better than the competition and the Ps3 last gn. There is even a chart showing that. 

PS4 is selling 100k per week. No chart will make it differently.



Prediction made in 14/01/2014 for 31/12/2020:      PS4: 100M      XOne: 70M      WiiU: 25M

Prediction made in 01/04/2016 for 31/12/2020:      PS4: 100M      XOne: 50M      WiiU: 18M

Prediction made in 15/04/2017 for 31/12/2020:      PS4: 90M      XOne: 40M      WiiU: 15M      Switch: 20M

Prediction made in 24/03/2018 for 31/12/2020:      PS4: 110M      XOne: 50M      WiiU: 14M      Switch: 65M

Zod95 said:
overman1 said:

Dude give it a rest. the Ps4 is selling better than the competition and the Ps3 last gn. There is even a chart showing that. 

PS4 is selling 100k per week. No chart will make it differently.

Welcome to the first of this Summer of this generation.



In this day and age, with the Internet, ignorance is a choice! And they're still choosing Ignorance! - Dr. Filthy Frank

mornelithe said:
Zod95 said:
mornelithe said:

My graphic?  You are addressing charts and comments to me that are not for me.  Please stop.

Yes, the graphic you quoted and made comments on supporting it. And my comments to you are also valid to Dr.Henry_Killinger, who posted the graphic but wasn't able to write comments he could stand for.

Your graphic is one big fallacy since it has little to do with the comparison I made in the first place. The point still remains and you didn't, you won't, you can't say a word about that.

 

mornelithe said:

And the point still remains, what's the purpose of including 2008 in this discussion, when the present day equivalent 2015, hasn't even begun yet?

The price point, like I said for several times but you continue to ignore what you can't counter-argue.

I quoted the graphic along with your response to it.  My response was to your response.  It's called a quote tree.  Why is this so difficult to understand?  Then again, you are trying to compare the PS3's second year to the PS4's 1st year, so I guess I can understand why that's difficult to understand.

The price point means exactly jack squat.  You can't take an entire years worth of sales, with an additional 17 months worth of IP, and compare that to now.   Well, you can try, but it has no bearing on this, regardless of how many times you try to rehash it.

It's a dry month, everybody knows it, trying to use invalid statistics to hammer the point home, doesn't do anything but make you look silly.

You continue to go around in circles. This has gone too far. Let's simplify it. Do you think PS4 sales right now are A - good, B - bad or C - neither good nor bad?



Prediction made in 14/01/2014 for 31/12/2020:      PS4: 100M      XOne: 70M      WiiU: 25M

Prediction made in 01/04/2016 for 31/12/2020:      PS4: 100M      XOne: 50M      WiiU: 18M

Prediction made in 15/04/2017 for 31/12/2020:      PS4: 90M      XOne: 40M      WiiU: 15M      Switch: 20M

Prediction made in 24/03/2018 for 31/12/2020:      PS4: 110M      XOne: 50M      WiiU: 14M      Switch: 65M

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Zod95 said:
overman1 said:

Dude give it a rest. the Ps4 is selling better than the competition and the Ps3 last gn. There is even a chart showing that. 

PS4 is selling 100k per week. No chart will make it differently.


Which is great, considering that's a LOT more than either PS3 or 360 did their first summers. A LOT more.

Please just give up. Multiple people.have shown your analysis has more holes than Swiss cheese. It's getting sad. The PS4 is doing great. Just accept it.



Zod95 said:
mornelithe said:

I quoted the graphic along with your response to it.  My response was to your response.  It's called a quote tree.  Why is this so difficult to understand?  Then again, you are trying to compare the PS3's second year to the PS4's 1st year, so I guess I can understand why that's difficult to understand.

The price point means exactly jack squat.  You can't take an entire years worth of sales, with an additional 17 months worth of IP, and compare that to now.   Well, you can try, but it has no bearing on this, regardless of how many times you try to rehash it.

It's a dry month, everybody knows it, trying to use invalid statistics to hammer the point home, doesn't do anything but make you look silly.

You continue to go around in circles. This has gone too far. Let's simplify it. Do you think PS4 sales right now are A - good, B - bad or C - neither good nor bad?

No, I'm not really going around in circles, I'm making pretty clear and concise statements about the irrelevance of your goal posts.  You're just ignoring that.  That's fine.

Bolded - I'd go with C, they're neither good nor bad, they're just indicative of a dry month, 8 months into the consoles life, while it has relatively few must-have titles.

I'd also point out that it's actual sales numbers right now, are irrelevant to the topic at hand.  It's still outselling its competition, and the reasons for why are irrelevant.  It is selling better, that's all that matters.



Raven316 said:
There are a lot of butt hurt Nintendo fans on this site smh.

I'm definitely not one of them.

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/thread.php?id=178963&page=1



Prediction made in 14/01/2014 for 31/12/2020:      PS4: 100M      XOne: 70M      WiiU: 25M

Prediction made in 01/04/2016 for 31/12/2020:      PS4: 100M      XOne: 50M      WiiU: 18M

Prediction made in 15/04/2017 for 31/12/2020:      PS4: 90M      XOne: 40M      WiiU: 15M      Switch: 20M

Prediction made in 24/03/2018 for 31/12/2020:      PS4: 110M      XOne: 50M      WiiU: 14M      Switch: 65M

So if the PS4 is doing so awful it's first year. What the hell was the wii u doing in its first year? And the PS3 became $399 in May 2007. Why is 2008 brought up?



ChudStudly said:

It's not about you being fair, it's about you being wrong. The PS3 got it's price drop around the same time it's library was ramping up, so your comparison in that regard is null and void. As for your Wii comparison, the Wii was a fad. It sold gangbusters for a time because of a fun, gimmicky motion controller aimed at Soccer moms and grandmothers, not gamers. Sales eventually fell off a cliff, while PS3 and 360 kept going strong. The Wii U's failure is further evidence of the Wii's fad status......the fad has passed. The great majority of people who bought the Wii moved on to mobile gaming and ignored the Wii U. With as much shovelware crap as the Wii had, it would have sold far, far, FAR less than it did had it not had motion control.  Comparing ANY console sales to the Wii is futile; because it was an anomaly, the market is returning to normal. As for your 3rd point, I'll bite. Compared to the Xbox 360's first summer, it too is being greatly outsold the by the PS4 during the same time period. So, the PS4 is therefore not only outselling the PS3, it's outselling the 360 as well. So, yes. You ARE wrong no matter how you spin it.

Sorry but I'm free to compare whatever I want. If I want to say Russia is bigger than Mexico, I do it and I'm right. If you tell me I'm wrong because my comparison is null and void because I'm comparing countries from different continents, I'll just laugh at you since that doesn't make Mexico bigger than Russia. You're just wrong and I continue to be right. If you tell me I shouldn't make that comparison because of points A, B and C, that's a different story and that has nothing to do with right or wrong.



Prediction made in 14/01/2014 for 31/12/2020:      PS4: 100M      XOne: 70M      WiiU: 25M

Prediction made in 01/04/2016 for 31/12/2020:      PS4: 100M      XOne: 50M      WiiU: 18M

Prediction made in 15/04/2017 for 31/12/2020:      PS4: 90M      XOne: 40M      WiiU: 15M      Switch: 20M

Prediction made in 24/03/2018 for 31/12/2020:      PS4: 110M      XOne: 50M      WiiU: 14M      Switch: 65M