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Zod95 on 12 July 2014
Dr.Henry_Killinger said:

Whoa whoa whoa, the reason I didn't post any comments was not because I couldn't but because I didn't need to because it was obvious that you were wrong and refused to admit it.

All you're doing is changing goalposts when the goal posts are proven wrong.

Ironically, you said that I forgot about the Wii when you are the one who told me to compare the PS4 to the PS3 not to the Wii.

It's obvious that you don't understand english. You don't know what a fallacy means (no wonder why you haven't understood what you did with your graphic), you can't acknowledge I did compare PS4 with Wii and you can't understand my posts' reasoning. Hopeless...



Prediction made in 14/01/2014 for 31/12/2020:      PS4: 100M      XOne: 70M      WiiU: 25M

Prediction made in 01/04/2016 for 31/12/2020:      PS4: 100M      XOne: 50M      WiiU: 18M

Prediction made in 15/04/2017 for 31/12/2020:      PS4: 90M      XOne: 40M      WiiU: 15M      Switch: 20M

Prediction made in 24/03/2018 for 31/12/2020:      PS4: 110M      XOne: 50M      WiiU: 14M      Switch: 65M

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mornelithe on 12 July 2014
Zod95 said:

Sorry but I'm free to compare whatever I want. If I want to say Russia is bigger than Mexico, I do it and I'm right. If you tell me I'm wrong because my comparison is null and void because I'm comparing countries from different continents, I'll just laugh at you since that doesn't make Mexico bigger than Russia. You're just wrong and I continue to be right. If you tell me I shouldn't make that comparison because of points A, B and C, that's a different story and that has nothing to do with right or wrong.

Blah blah blah, quote trees no bigger than 3, get with the program.



ChudStudly on 12 July 2014
Zod95 said:

Sorry but I'm free to compare whatever I want. If I want to say Russia is bigger than Mexico, I do it and I'm right. If you tell me I'm wrong because my comparison is null and void because I'm comparing countries from different continents, I'll just laugh at you since that doesn't make Mexico bigger than Russia. You're just wrong and I continue to be right. If you tell me I shouldn't make that comparison because of points A, B and C, that's a different story and that has nothing to do with right or wrong.


.........but I just used points A, B and C to very clearly show you how wrong you are. What you just said about Mexico vs Russia was not.only  nonsensical, it offered no rational counterargument at all. On the other hand, myself and others have provided actual, real sales comparisons. REAL sales comparisons that prove beyond a shadow of a doubt that PS4 is doing great and your analysis is heavily flawed. At this point though, I can see there's no getting through to you, so I'm bowing out. Keep on keeping on.



Zod95 on 12 July 2014
Dr.Henry_Killinger said:
Zod95 said:
overman1 said:

Dude give it a rest. the Ps4 is selling better than the competition and the Ps3 last gn. There is even a chart showing that. 

PS4 is selling 100k per week. No chart will make it differently.

Welcome to the first of this Summer of this generation.

Last gen Wii was selling 250k per week on its first summer.



Prediction made in 14/01/2014 for 31/12/2020:      PS4: 100M      XOne: 70M      WiiU: 25M

Prediction made in 01/04/2016 for 31/12/2020:      PS4: 100M      XOne: 50M      WiiU: 18M

Prediction made in 15/04/2017 for 31/12/2020:      PS4: 90M      XOne: 40M      WiiU: 15M      Switch: 20M

Prediction made in 24/03/2018 for 31/12/2020:      PS4: 110M      XOne: 50M      WiiU: 14M      Switch: 65M

Zod95 on 12 July 2014
ChudStudly said:
Zod95 said:
overman1 said:

Dude give it a rest. the Ps4 is selling better than the competition and the Ps3 last gn. There is even a chart showing that. 

PS4 is selling 100k per week. No chart will make it differently.


Which is great, considering that's a LOT more than either PS3 or 360 did their first summers. A LOT more.

Please just give up. Multiple people.have shown your analysis has more holes than Swiss cheese. It's getting sad. The PS4 is doing great. Just accept it.

Less than a half of what the last generation's leading console was doing, which is bad.

If reason was about counting opinions, logic would be a democracy. Since it's not, it is possible for 1 person to be right against 100 people wrong.



Prediction made in 14/01/2014 for 31/12/2020:      PS4: 100M      XOne: 70M      WiiU: 25M

Prediction made in 01/04/2016 for 31/12/2020:      PS4: 100M      XOne: 50M      WiiU: 18M

Prediction made in 15/04/2017 for 31/12/2020:      PS4: 90M      XOne: 40M      WiiU: 15M      Switch: 20M

Prediction made in 24/03/2018 for 31/12/2020:      PS4: 110M      XOne: 50M      WiiU: 14M      Switch: 65M

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Dr.Henry_Killinger on 12 July 2014
Zod95 said:

It's obvious that you don't understand english. You don't know what a fallacy means (no wonder why you haven't understood what you did with your graphic), you can't acknowledge I did compare PS4 with Wii and you can't understand my posts' reasoning. Hopeless...
Zod95 said:

Excuses? Sundin13 nailed it. PS4 is getting a good weekly market share but poor sales. 100k per week is actually bad, it's even less than what PS3 was doing back in 2007/2008 when the Wii was eating it alive. 

The PS3 was sub-100k in the summer of 2007.

It doesn't matter if you meant "or", part of your statement is false. You did not compare it to the Wii, until after the chart showed that you where wrong.

This is basic reading comprehension here.



In this day and age, with the Internet, ignorance is a choice! And they're still choosing Ignorance! - Dr. Filthy Frank

mornelithe on 12 July 2014
Zod95 said:

Less than a half of what the last generation's leading console was doing, which is bad.

If reason was about counting opinions, logic would be a democracy. Since it's not, it is possible for 1 person to be right against 100 people wrong.

Most certainly, but that doesn't automatically mean that the 1 person is right, and the 100 wrong, every single time either.

Regardless, this thread isn't about the Wii, the 360, or the PS3.  Stop derailing.



Zod95 on 12 July 2014
mornelithe said:
Zod95 said:
mornelithe said:

I quoted the graphic along with your response to it.  My response was to your response.  It's called a quote tree.  Why is this so difficult to understand?  Then again, you are trying to compare the PS3's second year to the PS4's 1st year, so I guess I can understand why that's difficult to understand.

The price point means exactly jack squat.  You can't take an entire years worth of sales, with an additional 17 months worth of IP, and compare that to now.   Well, you can try, but it has no bearing on this, regardless of how many times you try to rehash it.

It's a dry month, everybody knows it, trying to use invalid statistics to hammer the point home, doesn't do anything but make you look silly.

You continue to go around in circles. This has gone too far. Let's simplify it. Do you think PS4 sales right now are A - good, B - bad or C - neither good nor bad?

No, I'm not really going around in circles, I'm making pretty clear and concise statements about the irrelevance of your goal posts.  You're just ignoring that.  That's fine.

Bolded - I'd go with C, they're neither good nor bad, they're just indicative of a dry month, 8 months into the consoles life, while it has relatively few must-have titles.

I'd also point out that it's actual sales numbers right now, are irrelevant to the topic at hand.  It's still outselling its competition, and the reasons for why are irrelevant.  It is selling better, that's all that matters.

Ok, since you don't consider them to be good, please respect my position and Sundin13's when we stood against the video claiming PS4 is having good sales. That's how this all has started and there's no point for us to continue if we don't disagree on that. Anything else if off-topic so let's just stop.

Some people here think PS4 is doing great. That's what I can't pass without commeting.



Prediction made in 14/01/2014 for 31/12/2020:      PS4: 100M      XOne: 70M      WiiU: 25M

Prediction made in 01/04/2016 for 31/12/2020:      PS4: 100M      XOne: 50M      WiiU: 18M

Prediction made in 15/04/2017 for 31/12/2020:      PS4: 90M      XOne: 40M      WiiU: 15M      Switch: 20M

Prediction made in 24/03/2018 for 31/12/2020:      PS4: 110M      XOne: 50M      WiiU: 14M      Switch: 65M

mornelithe on 12 July 2014
Zod95 said:

Ok, since you don't consider them to be good, please respect my position and Sundin13's when we stood against the video claiming PS4 is having good sales. That's how this all has started and there's no point for us to continue if we don't disagree on that. Anything else if off-topic so let's just stop.

Some people here think PS4 is doing great. That's what I can't pass without commeting.

Were we watching the same video?  He wasn't talking specifically about this month, he was talking about the entire life of the PS4 thus far, in comparison to it's next-gen competitors.  You're simply making excuses to try and downplay how successful it's been thus far.  That's fine, but don't for a second presume that it actually matters, as the video stated, your excuses and goalposts are irrelevant.  The PS4 is still in the lead, and doesn't look like that'll be changing anytime soon.



overman1 on 12 July 2014
Zod95 said:

Ok, since you don't consider them to be good, please respect my position and Sundin13's when we stood against the video claiming PS4 is having good sales. That's how this all has started and there's no point for us to continue if we don't disagree on that. Anything else if off-topic so let's just stop.

Some people here think PS4 is doing great. That's what I can't pass without commeting.


it seems to be crushing the competition and selling better than its predessesor in the same month despite the fact that many say there are little to no games for the system. Dude, if you feel the poster here are lying to themself, ewhy do you care? what is you evidence that the PS4 is suffering? why cant you just ignore the posters here or better yet provide true evidence to show us that Sony is losing money and this gen?