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KLXVER said:
mornelithe said:

Well, here you find the crux of the issue we're in.  Because people didn't recognize how the removal of demo's could impact the industry, and thus made it profitable for companies to just not release demo's.  It will now take a concerted effort from gamer's to reverse that course.  And, to the delight of publishers/devs/manufacturers, gamer's have yet to be able to really speak with one voice and tell the industry Aww hell naw, because they're too busy defending their hardware of choice, or their IP of choice.  Notice how fast Microsoft reversed course on the DRM thing, that was because the industry responded with a resounding no.  Those kinds of critique's of policy need to be made more often, if we hope to have any control over the industry.


It could be too late by then, sadly...

Well, then people need to wake the eff up.  If the industry really is important to them, they'll start taking notice, and listening to people who have red flags about certain practices.  Yes, this even includes those of competing hardware, whether it's Sony, Nintendo, Microsoft or even PC Gamer's.  We all have some pretty valuable insight into how allowing a trend to continue could be damaging.  But we're so wrapped up in brand loyalty, we miss the warning signs.

It's a very serious problem, because companies can literally try and do whatever they want, to gain money.  And consumers simply aren't focused enough to avoid such purchases.



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mornelithe said:

Well, then people need to wake the eff up.  If the industry really is important to them, they'll start taking notice, and listening to people who have red flags about certain practices.  Yes, this even includes those of competing hardware, whether it's Sony, Nintendo, Microsoft or even PC Gamer's.  We all have some pretty valuable insight into how allowing a trend to continue could be damaging.  But we're so wrapped up in brand loyalty, we miss the warning signs.

It's a very serious problem, because companies can literally try and do whatever they want, to gain money.  And consumers simply aren't focused enough to avoid such purchases.


and yet you are defending this parctise Sony is looking into though. You cant see the long time effect of this?



KLXVER said:
mornelithe said:

Well, then people need to wake the eff up.  If the industry really is important to them, they'll start taking notice, and listening to people who have red flags about certain practices.  Yes, this even includes those of competing hardware, whether it's Sony, Nintendo, Microsoft or even PC Gamer's.  We all have some pretty valuable insight into how allowing a trend to continue could be damaging.  But we're so wrapped up in brand loyalty, we miss the warning signs.

It's a very serious problem, because companies can literally try and do whatever they want, to gain money.  And consumers simply aren't focused enough to avoid such purchases.


and yet you are defending this parctise Sony is looking into though. You cant see the long time effect of this?

I'm not defending anything, I'm stating the obvious.  Companies exist to make money.  If we object to one of their practices, it's up to us to put a stop to it by not buying into it.  When we don't, it signals to that company and the industry in general, that we accept such practices, at which point it'll become an industry standard, and then move on to the next new revenue stream concept.

The problem I have is you're blaming companies for trying to make money, and that's simply silly, and you're exonerating all consumers, for not paying more attention, which I find equally silly.



KLXVER said:
naruball said:

Thats like saying "Yeah, I dont care if theres drug dealers out there, just dont buy their drugs and theyll stop"

That's not even remotely close and you know it. How exactly does it ruin it for you?


1.Having to pay for games before they are done?

2. If the game has online MP, then the people getting early access will be better at the game before I can play it? 

3. Random gamers have a say in franchises I like?

4. More focus on digital only games?

1. No one has to pay for games before they are done. They are offered the option to pre-order the game and to play it until it's done. Also, the option to give feedback that can potentially improve the game.

2. You do realize not everyone buys the game at launch. People who buy a game a month later have the advatage over people who just got it. It's always worked like that. Also. how can you be sure that the developers themselves or the hundreds of reviewers who get a copy weeks before you don't have an advantage over you? Also, pre-order a game usually gives people in-game items that gives them an advatage. Even with single player games, if you go to a friend's place and he's been playing the game longer than you, he'll have an advatage over you. It's always been this way.

3. So what? they give feedback the same way game testers do. Who says random gamers' opinion is better than a game tester's. Who says developers do anything about them. I've read blogs where people discuss feedback they got and what little they did with it, because they didn't want to change their game the way early access people suggested. This doesn't affect you either.

4. So? How exactly does it affect you?



I think it is a bad idea, these youtubers are too stupid to understand the concept and will flood the interwebs with "funny" videos of "awfull glitches and bad physics" of the unfinished games. And even dumber youtubers will do videocasts comenting about how have the industry degenerated into broken crappy games and bla bla bla.



My grammar errors are justified by the fact that I am a brazilian living in Brazil. I am also very stupid.

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KLXVER said:
Raziel123 said:


Kickstarter goes through a funding period and then still needs development until anyone gets their hands on it.

An early access game is playable the minute it is added to the store. There are no goals to meet and you don't wait until a beta build is completed, because they already have one.


So, you are paying for the game before its done and your reward is being a beta tester?

 

I am trying to see your point of view but I can't.  The people that do this WANT to pay for early access they WANT to be involved in the process, they WANT help make games better. That's reward enough... Just because the reward is not in a monitary or some other physical form doesent mean anything. People feel so entitled nowadays it's sick! They feel they have to be rewarded. 

It's also quite simple, if you don't like it your not being forced to do it so move on. Sony may offer the gamer more options but in no way are they being forced upon you. The service is popular and steam and it would be nice to have a console version of this program. 



mornelithe said:

I'm not defending anything, I'm stating the obvious.  Companies exist to make money.  If we object to one of their practices, it's up to us to put a stop to it by not buying into it.  When we don't, it signals to that company and the industry in general, that we accept such practices, at which point it'll become an industry standard, and then move on to the next new revenue stream concept.

The problem I have is you're blaming companies for trying to make money, and that's simply silly, and you're exonerating all consumers, for not paying more attention, which I find equally silly.


Thats because I know that gamers are very passionate people. Like you cant tell someone thats deeply in love with another person to stop seeing that person because theyre not good for them. That wont help. You have to go to the person theyre in love with and tell them not to be abusive.

 

You know what I mean?



mornelithe said:

Drawing a parallel to rape here is woefully inappropriate, and stupid.  In every avenue of business, the consumer controls the market and the companies react to align themselves with consumer demands, those companies who do not react quickly enough, find themselves in pretty poor financial states, and have to rethink their strategy.


Honestly, a few things annoy me as much as the bolded. People saying that EA is raping is all sorts of wrong (same with MS and drm). I find it absolutely disgusting considering how awful rape is and how much control they have not to buy a game (which worst case scenario will be bad and a waste of money). 



KLXVER said:

Thats because I know that gamers are very passionate people. Like you cant tell someone thats deeply in love with another person to stop seeing that person because theyre not good for them. That wont help. You have to go to the person theyre in love with and tell them not to be abusive.

 

You know what I mean?

The difference is, that issue exists between two people.  This issue exists between hundreds of millions of people, where people can influence the industry in a negative (or positive) manner.  If that person who loves the other chooses to remain with them (and you're right, trying to tell a friend he/she's no good for you doesn't work...been on both sides of that coin), that effects their lives...not a good chunk of the populace.

And this situation is also slightly more deceptive, because if you make a bad games purchase, you're just out $60 bucks.  If several million people make the same mistake, however, it tells companies they can continue on as they have been, without repercussion.  We have to show them there's repercussions.



Avro1958 said:

 

I am trying to see your point of view but I can't.  The people that do this WANT to pay for early access they WANT to be involved in the process, they WANT help make games better. That's reward enough... Just because the reward is not in a monitary or some other physical form doesent mean anything. People feel so entitled nowadays it's sick! They feel they have to be rewarded. 

It's also quite simple, if you don't like it your not being forced to do it so move on. Sony may offer the gamer more options but in no way are they being forced upon you. The service is popular and steam and it would be nice to have a console version of this program. 


My point is that what happens if you dont like the way the game is shaping up and you have already paid for it?