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KLXVER said:
Intrinsic said:
KLXVER said:
How many services on the PS4 are you going to charge people for Sony? Enough already! People with PS+ should get this included. If you want the community to be involved, then do so without charging them for it!

My god, I know Sony is having some financial trouble, but this is just ridiculous...

Errrrrr.......... I don't think you understand what or how an early access program works.


I think I do, but feel free to educate me if you believe Im wrong.

I dunno if serious, but the way I see it is that if you knew what it is you wouldn't have said what you said. Refer to the part in your OP that I bolded here. Early access isn't a service sony is going to make you pay for like you pay for PS+. Its just what it is as defined by its name. You get early access into a game on a game by game basis, not that you pay for a service called early access that lets you get into games before others. Its basically like buying a game before its finished.

Take titanfall for instance, if they plan on making the game with 10 maps and are mostly done with 5 of them, they could sell that "half game"/beta for $20 as a near feature complete game with just the five maps then you pay another $20 for the final game when they have the remaining 5 maps done. Its kinda like paying for a very big beta or a very big demo. The upside is that not only do you get into the game earlier if you are that impatient, you should ultimately pay less for the full game and have more of an input in how the game turns out than those that wait for the full game to be finished before buying.

So yeah, its not a service sony is offering or something that can be made part of PS+ or whatever... its a completely different kinda thing. Having said al this, don't for a second think I am in support of this cause I feel it will pose more harm than good.



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naruball said:

Honestly, a few things annoy me as much as the bolded. People saying that EA is raping is all sorts of wrong (same with MS and drm). I find it absolutely disgusting considering how awful rape is and how much control they have not to buy a game (which worst case scenario will be bad and a waste of money). 

Agreed.  People may not like it, but it's our responsibility to educate ourselves, and the bolded...yeah, terrible analogy and really marginalizes how awful rape is.



mornelithe said:
KLXVER said:

Thats because I know that gamers are very passionate people. Like you cant tell someone thats deeply in love with another person to stop seeing that person because theyre not good for them. That wont help. You have to go to the person theyre in love with and tell them not to be abusive.

 

You know what I mean?

The difference is, that issue exists between two people.  This issue exists between hundreds of millions of people, where people can influence the industry in a negative (or positive) manner.  If that person who loves the other chooses to remain with them (and you're right, trying to tell a friend he/she's no good for you doesn't work...been on both sides of that coin), that effects their lives...not a good chunk of the populace.

And this situation is also slightly more deceptive, because if you make a bad games purchase, you're just out $60 bucks.  If several million people make the same mistake, however, it tells companies they can continue on as they have been, without repercussion.  We have to show them there's repercussions.


Yes, but if you care about that person, then it affects you as well. Of course this is on a much larger scale, but the result is the same. We do care about our fellow gamers, but its impossible to tell them that the company they love is abusing them.



Intrinsic said:

I dunno if serious, but the way I see it is that if you knew what it is you wouldn't have said what you said. Refer to the part in your OP that I bolded here. Early access isn't a service sony is going to make you pay for like you pay for PS+. Its just what it is as defined by its name. You get early access into a game on a game by game basis, not that you pay for a service called early access that lets you get into games before others. Its basically like buying a game before its finished.

Take titanfall for instance, if they plan on making the game with 10 maps and are mostly done with 5 of them, they could sell that "half game"/beta for $20 as a near feature complete game with just the five maps then you pay another $20 for the final game when they have the remaining 5 maps done. Its kinda like paying for a very big beta or a very big demo. The upside is that not only do you get into the game earlier if you are that impatient, you should ultimately pay less for the full game and have more of an input in how the game turns out than those that wait for the full game to be finished before buying.

So yeah, its not a service sony is offering or something that can be made part of PS+ or whatever... its a completely different kinda thing. Having said al this, don't for a second think I am in support of this cause I feel it will pose more harm than good.


Well its still a service. Sure it isnt prescription based, but it is a service you pay for.



mornelithe said:
IkePoR said:

You can ignore them giving you the finger, but they're still giving it to you.

To justify companies disrespecting the consumer by making it the consumers fault is ridiculous.  It's like asking a rape victim "what did you do to get raped?"  Even if everyone is "jumping on a train" it doesn't mean they're protected from criticism.

Cancer exists to self replicate.  Do you tell a doctor "No I don't want chemo, the cancer's just doing it's thing"?  Existing to do something doesn't mean it's cool when you're disrespecting the unknowing consumer and contributing to a not far off crash of the industry.

What ever happened to quality control departments? Why does this fall in the consumers lap?  Why is the customer doing the companies job FOR THEM?

Someone who gives me the finger, without my knowledge, is about as important to me as an anthill in Africa.  It's simply not.

Drawing a parallel to rape here is woefully inappropriate, and stupid.  In every avenue of business, the consumer controls the market and the companies react to align themselves with consumer demands, those companies who do not react quickly enough, find themselves in pretty poor financial states, and have to rethink their strategy.

Let me ask you, do you buy cars, houses, or other electronics with zero research?  Why do the same for games, or consoles, or other hardware, just because the pricing is lower?  The 'Oh poor consumer' line is total bullshit, and a cop out of your responsibilities with your money.  Nobody makes you buy anything, nobody forces you to play anything.  If you buy a shit game, that's your fault.  Not the companies.

Again, you're expecting the consumer to do the companies job for it - quality control.  Do I research my products? Sure.  Do the masses? No.  We all know that masses don't research - including Sony, EA, etc.  It then becomes their fault because they all know the masses don't research and continue to abuse them.  But who cares if "they're too stupid" to research right?  You're making cash NOW, screw the consequences later.

The "lets defend consumer despising practices" line is total bullshit.  



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KLXVER said:
Avro1958 said:

 

I am trying to see your point of view but I can't.  The people that do this WANT to pay for early access they WANT to be involved in the process, they WANT help make games better. That's reward enough... Just because the reward is not in a monitary or some other physical form doesent mean anything. People feel so entitled nowadays it's sick! They feel they have to be rewarded. 

It's also quite simple, if you don't like it your not being forced to do it so move on. Sony may offer the gamer more options but in no way are they being forced upon you. The service is popular and steam and it would be nice to have a console version of this program. 


My point is that what happens if you dont like the way the game is shaping up and you have already paid for it?


Probably the same as if you bought the game and did not like it? I mean this way you actually have a chance to influence game development choices.  This is NOT a bad thing.



Avro1958 said:
KLXVER said:
Avro1958 said:

 

I am trying to see your point of view but I can't.  The people that do this WANT to pay for early access they WANT to be involved in the process, they WANT help make games better. That's reward enough... Just because the reward is not in a monitary or some other physical form doesent mean anything. People feel so entitled nowadays it's sick! They feel they have to be rewarded. 

It's also quite simple, if you don't like it your not being forced to do it so move on. Sony may offer the gamer more options but in no way are they being forced upon you. The service is popular and steam and it would be nice to have a console version of this program. 


My point is that what happens if you dont like the way the game is shaping up and you have already paid for it?


Probably the same as if you bought the game and did not like it? I mean this way you actually have a chance to influence game development choices.  This is NOT a bad thing.


It could be a good thing to let gamers in on the development cycle, but why should we have to pay for it? 



Would be awesome depending on how many games take part.



If they actually hire a guy to do quality control why not.



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I thought we already were playing Early Access with games like Battlefield 4.