As someone above me has already pointed out, everybody has to pay for things they don't morally support. Your tax dollars pay for capital punishment, war, and farm subsidies, among other things. You can refuse to pay taxes... by living entirely off the land by your own, etc, and refusing to use any public facilities. Otherwise, the government spending some of your taxes on things that you do not personally support is part of the price of living in a society.

And in this case, you're required to pay for your employees' medical insurance, some of which might cover things that you do not, personally support. But you see, you're not actually paying for the specifics of the coverage, you're paying for "medical insurance", just like you're paying "tax" and not "war support money".

A heads up to all those arguing that they should be forced to give contraceptions.

They are a private company, no stock, ect, ect. But lets ignore that for now and concentrate on the more important factor.

They are still allowing like 15+ contraception drugs to their employees still. They are just refusing to do the 1 or 2 that are basically flat out abortion pills.


As for my opinion. Contraception to me is a PREVENTATIVE measure. i have a hard time thinking of pills that flush the system AFTER that fact as a birth control. To me it sounds like we are getting into the pro-life argument and off the preventative factor.


And i'm with the people not from U.S. saying "wtf is a company paying for contraception for anyway" Jeez how long till they are forced to buy woman breast implants.

You know what else prevents unwanted pregnancies? Not having relations. And you know how much that cost people? Zero dollars. If you can't afford contraceptives, then you can't afford a kid most likely then why the hell would you risk that?

Is my religious belief that humans shouldn't have health treatment whatsoever and should die if they get ill and are weaklings. ( I am satanist) 

Can I impose my religious belief on my employees in America, denying coverage for everything?

You seem to have the logic backwards. I didn't say employment is like conscription, I said that conscientious objection isn't just a freebie way to avoid things you don't like. And you can have religious views and be a business owner - but if your religious views contradict your responsibilities as a business owner, then you don't get to just ignore your responsibilities. Your religious views don't supersede your societal responsibilities, and they don't supersede your business responsibilities.

It's exactly like how a devout muslim woman can't work as a hair model (like in shampoo commercials) and demand to work while not having to actually show her hair - if her religion contradicts the requirements of the job, she simply has to not do that job. It's exactly like how a doctor who is a Jehovah's Witness doesn't get to go "I'm not going to do blood transfusions, because it's against my religion" - if you don't want to do blood transfusions, don't be a doctor.

You can be a business owner and not pay for medical insurance that covers abortifacients... by not having employees. Or by having a very small business in which you can choose your employees as you see fit (we're talking very small businesses). If you want to apply your religious beliefs to a larger organisation, then be non-profit.

And I would counter by saying we have a higher law in the Constitution that guarantees the right to freely practice your religion which is why the Supreme Court struck that portion of the law down.

But as someone else pointed out (thank you Uddermode for the cogent statement on that) even if we take the religiosity out of the argument the idea that you can force someone else to pay for your stuff (like contraceptives) causes your argument to fall flat on it's face.

Food, water and shelter is an even more component of health (Maslow's hierarchy of needs) than contraceptives so maybe we should relegate salary to "fun" money and just force employers to pay directly for those things absolutely necessary to stay healthy and your wages can be for that drinking fund in question.

While we are at it we can pass laws that force employers to to buy only certain food types (must follow that antiquated and debunked food pyramid they still encourage today), only mineralized, flouridated, reverse osmsis water and a set square footage of housing all dictated by what is deemed to be most healthy for us.

And people did work to change the law. That's why it was struck down by the courts. SOmeone decided to fight against the overreaching encroachment of this type of law and we got a partial victory.

There are far more pressing issues with health care than the need to force other people to pay for contraceptives which, out of all forms of medications, ranks amongst the cheapest and can undoubtedly be afforded by even the least fortunate amongst us. And it isn't like there is a shortage of places that you can already go to get free contraceptives anyways.

People are losing their coverage because of the new healthcare laws, hospitals are losing reimbursements because of the new laws, focus is shifting away from actual medical outcomes and placing more focus on customer satisfaction than ever before (I could give a myriad of reasons for why this is bad) which is causing losses in revenue for hospitals. More and more doctors are being gobble dup into larger health systems to save their private practices from the outrageous mandates of the new health care laws. And people are worried about not being able to force their bosses to pay for their life choices.

Gotta love the priorities of the gimme gimme crowd.

There's something to be said about your ability to defend the interests of large, faceless corporations over the interests of its employees.

I'm struglling to see how this a victory for the employees that now have to pay for something that was once covered by their insurance, but are not anymore because their bosses found it immoral. Is it a victory because some religions agree with it? Thank goodness than we don't have a clause in our ammendment that either promotes religions or supresses the free excercise thereof. Because as you might realize, not everyone who believes in a religion, has fundamentalist views of that religion. The vast majority of Catholic women, for example use contraception on a regular basis despite Church teachings. Their religious beliefs were overwritten.

But it's not worth even having a discussion about this, because you've already made up your mind that contraception is murder. Well how do argue with that? A kindhearted corporation, that has inalienable rights and religious convictions, decided to stop supporting the murder of innocent babies. I certainly can't argue with that logic. Or any logic you put your faith in.

Edited. Part of my comment was needlessly rude.

They should be able to.  Youre not forced to work for them.  
Unfortunately we don't have a free market

I never said contraception is murder.  Abortion is though.  And that has nothing to do with any supposed faith. That had to do with scientific fact. 

And the size of the corporation had no baring on the importance of the people running that Corp in comparison odd is employees.  Does somehow the bigger the group of people make them have less rights? 

How come companies like Google can actively promote. Campaign for. And pay for lgbt "rights" if the company has no rights?  Especially if they have employees apposed to it. 

And since these companies have no rights. Can the government force them to hire anyone and everyone. To make certain products For certain prices?

Or do they now have constitutional rights? 

Any way I'm still waiting for a gym membership and a personal trainer to be a right. And my employer be forced to pay for it.  And while we are at it protein and other supplements seem like another health care right I should have. 

It's amazing how many rights the left can invent while simultaneously trying to destroy the right to free agency