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SocialistSlayer on 02 July 2014
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Figgycal said:
SocialistSlayer said:

Why would an "individuals" interest be any more important than a group of individuals, a corporation?

They are still covering 16/20 of the contraceptives. They just didn't want to pay for abortifacients. 

Although ido believe businesses shouldn't be forcedtoo payfor that stuff. The only way that would be a valid comparison is if pregnancy was a disease.

Believe it or not there are actually more than just Christians that are morally apposed to murdering babies. 

So employees views should trump employer?

The only thing this ruling does is get the employer out of the employees personal business.

No that was the citizens United case. And even then that's not true. That case rules they are groups of people. And of course they have constitutional right s if they didn't newspapers wouldn't be able to print their opinions. TV anchors couldn't report what the wanted. Unions couldn't donate money. Etc etc.

You must be. How else could you explain your egregious counter factual claims. 

There's something to be said about your ability to defend the interests of large, faceless corporations over the interests of its employees.

I'm struglling to see how this a victory for the employees that now have to pay for something that was once covered by their insurance, but are not anymore because their bosses found it immoral. Is it a victory because some religions agree with it? Thank goodness than we don't have a clause in our ammendment that either promotes religions or supresses the free excercise thereof. Because as you might realize, not everyone who believes in a religion, has fundamentalist views of that religion. The vast majority of Catholic women, for example use contraception on a regular basis despite Church teachings. Their religious beliefs were overwritten. It's kind of like how Jesus said those who live by the sword die by the sword and turn the other cheek and all that bullshit you were supposed to believe but also choose to ignore.

But it's not worth even having a discussion about this, because you've already made up your mind that contraception is murder. Well how do argue with that? A kindhearted corporation, that has inalienable rights and religious convictions, decided to stop supporting the murder of innocent babies. I certainly can't argue with that logic. Or any logic you put your faith in.

I never said contraception is murder.  Abortion is though.  And that has nothing to do with any supposed faith. That had to do with scientific fact. 

 

And the size of the corporation had no baring on the importance of the people running that Corp in comparison odd is employees.  Does somehow the bigger the group of people make them have less rights? 

How come companies like Google can actively promote. Campaign for. And pay for lgbt "rights" if the company has no rights?  Especially if they have employees apposed to it. 

And since these companies have no rights. Can the government force them to hire anyone and everyone. To make certain products For certain prices?

Or do they now have constitutional rights? 

 

Any way I'm still waiting for a gym membership and a personal trainer to be a right. And my employer be forced to pay for it.  And while we are at it protein and other supplements seem like another health care right I should have. 

It's amazing how many rights the left can invent while simultaneously trying to destroy the right to free agency