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Worst one?

Ocarina of TT 60 11.90%
 
Majora's Mask 88 17.46%
 
The Wii Wii Waker 85 16.87%
 
Twilight Princess 106 21.03%
 
Skyward Sword 165 32.74%
 
Total:504
Egann on 25 June 2014
prayformojo said:
Egann said:
prayformojo said:
Nintentacle said:
prayformojo said:
Anyone who says OOT wasn't old enough to either play it when it launched, or appreciate just how mind blowing it was.

Seriously.

IMO, just because the game was mind blowing at the time, it doesn't mean another game can be better than it to people.


Which takes more skill and which is more impressive? A game that redfines the way video games are played? Or a game that refines a game that redfines the way video games are played?

OOT was a master stroke. It was an abosolute mastery of art and design. The distance between itself and all other 3D games in it's era was as wide as it could get. When you compare WW to it, you must keep that in mind. At the time, we ALL had played OOT and we thought WW was just more of the same, with cartoon graphics, easier difficulty and boring fetch quests. It didn't wow us. It didn't have much of an impact at all.

In order to judge a game, you must only compare it to it's peers. You can only judge it by what other games were being released at the time it was released. And when you do that, OOT stands alone.

OK, let's compare Ocarina to Xenogears. I know it's not fair to compare an action adventure to a straight RPG, but there really aren't that many games from 1998 which people still talk about. 

1. Gameplay: Ocarina. Xenogears' gameplay was not bad by any means, as chaining combos and piloting gears both worked well, but Ocarina shaped modern action titles, particularly if they used swords. The Ocarina influence on Dark Souls is significant.

2. Graphics: N64 games will always look better than PSOne games, but Xenogears was no slouch, either. It uses traditional anime/ Square techniques to cover it's shortcomings as best it can.

3. Story: Xenogears. Xenogears runs circles around Ocarina in this department. Other Zelda games--both before and after, but mostly after after--prove that Zelda can tell good stories when it wants to.

4. Total Length: Xenogears. 130+ hours, anybody?

 

So no, in context Ocarina was really, REALLY good, but it doesn't deserve the oodles of praise no game could ever live up to. It was a good game, but it had some critical shortcomings and has since been thoroughly eclipsed.

You're entitled with your opinion, but I completely disagree. There's a reason OOT is considered the GOAT and it's not because it was second class when it released. 

How can Xenogears be better than OOT when it wasn't even considered better than the FF games that were on the same system and belonged to the same GENRE? 

My logic was basically that Gen 5 was the generation of the RPG, and FF VII in particular has massive fan-goggles attached which rival Ocarina's. Xenogears struck me as the appropriate comparison.

For the record, I have the same opinion of Metal Gear Solid. Great game, but faulted. Most of the early 3D games are like this.



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JakDaSnack on 25 June 2014
Egann said:

My logic was basically that Gen 5 was the generation of the RPG, and FF VII in particular has massive fan-goggles attached which rival Ocarina's. Xenogears struck me as the appropriate comparison.

For the record, I have the same opinion of Metal Gear Solid. Great game, but faulted. Most of the early 3D games are like this.

OOT is the most critically acclaimed game of all time according to the 2008 guiness book of world records.  Maybe Skyrim or TLOU passed it, but comparing an rpg to an action/adventure game is not a good comparison imho, it's easier to add content to an rpg than an action/adventure game.  I never played Xenogears, and I couldn't get myself to finish FF VII, I just didn't enjoy it as much as the other final fantasy games.  So I can't really compare it, but rpg's typically have hundreds of hours of gameplay and a better story than action/adventure games so it's no surprise that someone would consider an rpg winning against OOT in those 2 categories.  Either way, in order for xenogears to be considered a better game than OOT it would have to be considered as revolutionary to rpg games, as OOT was to action/adventure games.  

And btw, I consider Majoras Mask a step up from OOT in every possible way.



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haxxiy on 25 June 2014

There was a lot of innovation on Ocarina of the Time due to it being the first Zelda 3D game, but frankly, there are very few things Nintendo didn't improve on the later games. The story pulls heavily from A Link to the Past and some of its core concepts have not aged well, so my vote goes for it.



 

 

 

 

 

prayformojo on 25 June 2014
Egann said:
prayformojo said:
Egann said:
prayformojo said:
Nintentacle said:
prayformojo said:
Anyone who says OOT wasn't old enough to either play it when it launched, or appreciate just how mind blowing it was.

Seriously.

IMO, just because the game was mind blowing at the time, it doesn't mean another game can be better than it to people.


Which takes more skill and which is more impressive? A game that redfines the way video games are played? Or a game that refines a game that redfines the way video games are played?

OOT was a master stroke. It was an abosolute mastery of art and design. The distance between itself and all other 3D games in it's era was as wide as it could get. When you compare WW to it, you must keep that in mind. At the time, we ALL had played OOT and we thought WW was just more of the same, with cartoon graphics, easier difficulty and boring fetch quests. It didn't wow us. It didn't have much of an impact at all.

In order to judge a game, you must only compare it to it's peers. You can only judge it by what other games were being released at the time it was released. And when you do that, OOT stands alone.

OK, let's compare Ocarina to Xenogears. I know it's not fair to compare an action adventure to a straight RPG, but there really aren't that many games from 1998 which people still talk about. 

1. Gameplay: Ocarina. Xenogears' gameplay was not bad by any means, as chaining combos and piloting gears both worked well, but Ocarina shaped modern action titles, particularly if they used swords. The Ocarina influence on Dark Souls is significant.

2. Graphics: N64 games will always look better than PSOne games, but Xenogears was no slouch, either. It uses traditional anime/ Square techniques to cover it's shortcomings as best it can.

3. Story: Xenogears. Xenogears runs circles around Ocarina in this department. Other Zelda games--both before and after, but mostly after after--prove that Zelda can tell good stories when it wants to.

4. Total Length: Xenogears. 130+ hours, anybody?

 

So no, in context Ocarina was really, REALLY good, but it doesn't deserve the oodles of praise no game could ever live up to. It was a good game, but it had some critical shortcomings and has since been thoroughly eclipsed.

You're entitled with your opinion, but I completely disagree. There's a reason OOT is considered the GOAT and it's not because it was second class when it released. 

How can Xenogears be better than OOT when it wasn't even considered better than the FF games that were on the same system and belonged to the same GENRE? 

My logic was basically that Gen 5 was the generation of the RPG, and FF VII in particular has massive fan-goggles attached which rival Ocarina's. Xenogears struck me as the appropriate comparison.

For the record, I have the same opinion of Metal Gear Solid. Great game, but faulted. Most of the early 3D games are like this.


Comparing OOT to a 32bit PS1 RPG is faulty by default simply because they aren't in the same genre. It's like comparing the first Resident Evil to Metal Gear Solid. It doesn't make sense.

And again, the ONLY reason you think Metal Gear Solid is faulty is because you are looking at it from the year 2014 and not the year it came out. When it launched, everything about it was pretty much revolutionary and perfect. It's very rare that you find a game that stands the test of time. I can only think of a hand full and most of them are from the early arcade days (Pac-Man, Galaga etc.)