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mornelithe on 23 June 2014
Baron said:
S.T.A.G.E. said:
 


Far Cry's standards have risen. There would have been no difference but for light and shadowing improvements and slightly better graphics, but if Ubisoft says the game is playing on par with ultra on consoles that a testament to the power behind the consoles. Most PC gamers wont even be able to enjoy ultra settings, but only a select few will. Far Cry 3 set the bar and I bet four will follow through. The gameplay is what matters and luckily for us console gamers we finally get a game on par with you guys, especially when we are where the bulk of the sales are coming from. PC gamers have a high level of expectation, but very little that is exclusive to use the power that you guys posess. When squeeze every bit of juice out of consoles people marvel.Why might you ask? Limit the tech and increase the goal to work itself around hardware and you'll see something you havent out of consoles. Far Cry 4 might just blow us all away and no one would've been the wiser because PC's just have to be that superior.

Ubisoft says,.. That should have been a big clue.

As for the second line, Far Cry 4 might just blow us away.... And Pigs might fly one day.

Far Cry 2 didn't blow us away, Far Cry 3 didn't blow us away so I think I can savely say Far Cry 4 won't blow us away either. Most of all because the 360 and PS3 gpu's were at least based on high end graphics cards when they released and therefor where capable of producing graphically good games in their first few years. The XOne and PS4's gpu are more comparable to budget/midrange graphics cards. They won't blow us away because they can't. No amount of RAM is going to solve their low output figures. A PS4 just won't be able to do what a 7970 or a 670 is capable of. Let alone a R290X or a 780. And their CPU's are even worse compared to modern day midrange cpu's.

I bought a 7970 several years ago. With BF3 it did just a touch under 70 fps. Now with BF4 my fps is higher. Sure AMD has optimised the drivers for it's hardware and Dice probably optimised their engine (in terms of visuals that is, in terms of mechanics it's definitely a few gens backwards) but if the new consoles really did push graphics forward my 'old' graphics card should have at least stayed level, not gone up. And Battlefield isn't the only game in a franchise I'm experiencing this in.

On the one hand it's not really a bad thing because it means I won't have to buy a new graphics card for at least another 3 years debunking the whole 'PC's are more expensive because upgrades' but on the other it's kind of sad to see progress be halted so much because developers only focus on getting games working on consoles.

Well said.



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S.T.A.G.E. on 23 June 2014
Baron said:
S.T.A.G.E. said:
 


Far Cry's standards have risen. There would have been no difference but for light and shadowing improvements and slightly better graphics, but if Ubisoft says the game is playing on par with ultra on consoles that a testament to the power behind the consoles. Most PC gamers wont even be able to enjoy ultra settings, but only a select few will. Far Cry 3 set the bar and I bet four will follow through. The gameplay is what matters and luckily for us console gamers we finally get a game on par with you guys, especially when we are where the bulk of the sales are coming from. PC gamers have a high level of expectation, but very little that is exclusive to use the power that you guys posess. When squeeze every bit of juice out of consoles people marvel.Why might you ask? Limit the tech and increase the goal to work itself around hardware and you'll see something you havent out of consoles. Far Cry 4 might just blow us all away and no one would've been the wiser because PC's just have to be that superior.

Ubisoft says,.. That should have been a big clue.

As for the second line, Far Cry 4 might just blow us away.... And Pigs might fly one day.

Far Cry 2 didn't blow us away, Far Cry 3 didn't blow us away so I think I can savely say Far Cry 4 won't blow us away either. Most of all because the 360 and PS3 gpu's were at least based on high end graphics cards when they released and therefor where capable of producing graphically good games in their first few years. The XOne and PS4's gpu are more comparable to budget/midrange graphics cards. They won't blow us away because they can't. No amount of RAM is going to solve their low output figures. A PS4 just won't be able to do what a 7970 or a 670 is capable of. Let alone a R290X or a 780. And their CPU's are even worse compared to modern day midrange cpu's.

I bought a 7970 several years ago. With BF3 it did just a touch under 70 fps. Now with BF4 my fps is higher. Sure AMD has optimised the drivers for it's hardware and Dice probably optimised their engine (in terms of visuals that is, in terms of mechanics it's definitely a few gens backwards) but if the new consoles really did push graphics forward my 'old' graphics card should have at least stayed level, not gone up. And Battlefield isn't the only game in a franchise I'm experiencing this in.

On the one hand it's not really a bad thing because it means I won't have to buy a new graphics card for at least another 3 years debunking the whole 'PC's are more expensive because upgrades' but on the other it's kind of sad to see progress be halted so much because developers only focus on getting games working on consoles.


Your last paragraph is laughable. Ubisoft is big on power and they've been begging for consoles to catch up and they have. They know it wont last for very long so they are doing as much as they can to kick off the new gen with a bang. Future Far Cry games for consoles will not be on par with PC graphically, but this is obviously not game-breaking. This is trivial. As I said before the entitlement issue is a problem.



Baron on 23 June 2014
S.T.A.G.E. said:


Your last paragraph is laughable. Ubisoft is big on power and they've been begging for consoles to catch up and they have. They know it wont last for very long so they are doing as much as they can to kick off the new gen with a bang. Future Far Cry games for consoles will not be on par with PC graphically, but this is obviously not game-breaking. This is trivial. As I said before the entitlement issue is a problem.


I agree, you seem to have some serious entitlement issues.



S.T.A.G.E. on 23 June 2014
Baron said:
S.T.A.G.E. said:


Your last paragraph is laughable. Ubisoft is big on power and they've been begging for consoles to catch up and they have. They know it wont last for very long so they are doing as much as they can to kick off the new gen with a bang. Future Far Cry games for consoles will not be on par with PC graphically, but this is obviously not game-breaking. This is trivial. As I said before the entitlement issue is a problem.


I agree, you seem to have some serious entitlement issues.

LOL...yes...definitely. In terms of graphics console gamers take what they can get. We really pride ourselves on entitlement. Sorry, but thats a PC gamer issue oh great master race.



Baron on 23 June 2014
S.T.A.G.E. said:
Baron said:
S.T.A.G.E. said:


Your last paragraph is laughable. Ubisoft is big on power and they've been begging for consoles to catch up and they have. They know it wont last for very long so they are doing as much as they can to kick off the new gen with a bang. Future Far Cry games for consoles will not be on par with PC graphically, but this is obviously not game-breaking. This is trivial. As I said before the entitlement issue is a problem.


I agree, you seem to have some serious entitlement issues.

LOL...yes...definitely. In terms of graphics console gamers take what they can get. We really pride ourselves on entitlement. Sorry, but thats a PC gamer issue oh great master race.


Another problem of yours is that you make too many assumptions. Besides the obvious one where you call others names because of your apparant lack of discussing things normally.

I don't game on PC only. I game on consoles as well. I've enjoyed my 360 very much despite it being down in horsepower compared to my PC. Multiplats that aren't total clusterfucks I play on PC. Multiplats that are exclusive to consoles I play on the console I have at that moment in time. And I buy a console every now and then for its exclusives.

Point being, I really don't care whether PC's are more powerful than consoles or not. I would have loved it if the latest iterations of console had been capable of matching today's PC's. I would have welcomed it. But, unfortunately, that is not the case. You being butthurt about it really isn't my problem though and it has nothing to do with some form of entitlement you desperately cling on to.



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S.T.A.G.E. on 23 June 2014
Baron said:
S.T.A.G.E. said:
Baron said:
S.T.A.G.E. said:


Your last paragraph is laughable. Ubisoft is big on power and they've been begging for consoles to catch up and they have. They know it wont last for very long so they are doing as much as they can to kick off the new gen with a bang. Future Far Cry games for consoles will not be on par with PC graphically, but this is obviously not game-breaking. This is trivial. As I said before the entitlement issue is a problem.


I agree, you seem to have some serious entitlement issues.

LOL...yes...definitely. In terms of graphics console gamers take what they can get. We really pride ourselves on entitlement. Sorry, but thats a PC gamer issue oh great master race.


Another problem of yours is that you make too many assumptions. Besides the obvious one where you call others names because of your apparant lack of discussing things normally.

I don't game on PC only. I game on consoles as well. I've enjoyed my 360 very much despite it being down in horsepower compared to my PC. Multiplats that aren't total clusterfucks I play on PC. Multiplats that are exclusive to consoles I play on the console I have at that moment in time. And I buy a console every now and then for its exclusives.

Point being, I really don't care whether PC's are more powerful than consoles or not. I would have loved it if the latest iterations of console had been capable of matching today's PC's. I would have welcomed it. But, unfortunately, that is not the case. You being butthurt about it really isn't my problem though and it has nothing to do with some form of entitlement you desperately cling on to.


Calling people names? I am just saying what is true. The phrase "PC Master Race" was made by PC gamers. I agree that consoles can hold PC's back but that just shows how much consoles matter when it comes to return on the sales of these games. If the opportunity presents itself why not allow equality. PC gamers don't get equality, just the few with the power to push their PC's. There are more console gamers to have marvel at these games, so if the ability is there to reach ultra settings, I cannot see where the problem is.

Watchdogs was gimped. I agree on that completely, but the development processes of both of those games are completely different. PC has led for one and consoles for another. Consoles have had to be optimized to reach ultra high settings on PC. Thats not gimping PC...it just means PC is the bar. Consoles wont have this ability for very long. PC graphics chips change very quickly so let console gamers relish these rare moments.

I have no entitlement. I like what I get on consoles. I got tired of upgrading when I used to game on PC as my school and work schedule get more hectic I dont really have the time. Maybe later, but just not now. I have no sense of entitlement. When I saw Skyrim on my friends PC when I had my PS3 i wanted a PC, but then I sucked it up and just played the game myself and guess what? I liked it regardless because I played the game.



Dusk on 23 June 2014
S.T.A.G.E. said:
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Exactly. "it's not going to be because of the power prowess of the consoles, it will be because the development on the PC is borked" 


Question incase I am missing something. Does how high is ultra on PC?

I don't understand the question. "Does how high is ultra on PC?" Is it supposed to be "Just how high is ultra on PC?" 

If that is the question, it's a hard one to answer as there is a variation between engines and of the when the games are relased. Generally with a new game, especially when games using the Cryengine are concerined (all it's iterations so far anyway), these engines can nearly max out the graphic and processing capabilities of very high end PC's at the time of release. 


Thank you for your answer. With that being said, if the game reaches ultra on PC wouldn't that mean that Ubisoft is pushing the consoles before there becomes a disparity later on in the gen?


Well the issue is that there is already disparity between PC's and consoles. Even when they were first released they weren't on the same level. There is no way you can jam $2500 worth of equipment and sell it in a console for $400-500. The PS4 and X1 are about the level of a mid range PC. 

Second to that you have to believe what Ubisoft is saying. They don't have a very good track record going for them at this point, most recently with the Watch Dogs controversy. So essentially if there is parity between the two, it will be because Ubisoft hasn't spent any time coding the game to the PC, not that it's a far toss from the consoles now mind you, or they have deliberately downgraded the visual fidelity of the PC offerings. 



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mornelithe on 23 June 2014
Dusk said:

Well the issue is that there is already disparity between PC's and consoles. Even when they were first released they weren't on the same level. There is no way you can jam $2500 worth of equipment and sell it in a console for $400-500. The PS4 and X1 are about the level of a mid range PC. 

Second to that you have to believe what Ubisoft is saying. They don't have a very good track record going for them at this point, most recently with the Watch Dogs controversy. So essentially if there is parity between the two, it will be because Ubisoft hasn't spent any time coding the game to the PC, not that it's a far toss from the consoles now mind you, or they have deliberately downgraded the visual fidelity of the PC offerings. 

See that's the thing that gets me here, they coded the game to PC (Watch Dogs), they spent the time, and then removed it...I mean they literally wasted man hours coding that shit, and then just cut it all, so essentially they just wasted money and and delayed the game.  That's the part I really don't get.



KingdomHeartsFan on 23 June 2014
SubiyaCryolite said:
KingdomHeartsFan said:

Is there anyone that expected a super upgraded PC port for Far Cry 4?  I mean most of the sales are from console so why should PC get any extra treatment?  Especially considering most people's PCs are not super high end like some of the hardcore gamers.


Fary Cry 2 and Far Cry 3 were significantly better on PC. They also pushed fancy Direct X 10 and 11 fairly early on in the cycle.

Well they were on older gen, remember last gen lasted way longer than any other gen so by the time those came out it was probably at next to no expense for those better PC ports.  I can imagine them making the game and it was at the quality of the PC version, then they had to keep cutting back until the game was able to run on console.  

I can't stand it when PC gamers get pissed when they get console ports and call them gimped PC games, I could somewhat understand it at the end of last gen when the consoles were so out of date, but now you have got to be kidding me.  I remember that steam poll saying most PC gamer's PCs are weaker than the PS4, how the hell do the very few ppl that have super powerful PCs expect developers to significantly invest to make their version of the game better when almost no one is gonna benefit from it.  



zarx on 23 June 2014
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The bulk of Ubisofts sales across the board come from consoles no matter how you slice it. When you add up all of Ubisofts games on PC the disparity becomes greater. Add Assassins Creed, Far Cry, Watchdogs, Splinter Cell, Rayman and more and you'll realize exactly why Ubisoft might find it to be much better to have parity. Regardless of the matter PC is still the lead platform.


The bulk of their sales yes but they still do very well on PC considering how shitty most of their PC ports and UPlay is on PC.  However Assaassin's Creed IV and Watch Dogs (despite not enabling all the effects that were in the E3 2012 build and some pretty shoddy optimisation that caused stuttering that moders could kinda be fixed by modders, they still added TXAA support, better volumetric lighting, slightly better textures, HBAO+, better warter simulation, and offered higher quality shadows and reflections) both still had PC specific enhancements, despite that. Seems odd that one of their franchises that does piticularly well on PC and will likely do better on PC than the others is the one they are aparently going for parity with.


Assassins Creed and Watchdogs were made for console gamers therefore consoles are the lead platform (I thought you knew this, Ubisoft has long since admitted this). Far Cry is a PC game by history therefore it is lead over there but because of the sales on consoles and readiness of power this gen have been given some leeway. The consoles have at least been up to snuff to give a great showing on all platforms so this is great all around for everyone. Modders will screw with Far Cry anyway, so I don't really see the issue. 

Did you even read my post? As I said even their console lead franchises have PC Ultra settings that are beyond the current consoles... Far Cry has traditionally been a very popular franchise on PC, even more so than Assassin's Creed so it makes little sense for it to be caped at the level of the consoles when their other games are not.



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