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SubiyaCryolite on 24 June 2014
KingdomHeartsFan said:
SubiyaCryolite said:
KingdomHeartsFan said:

Is there anyone that expected a super upgraded PC port for Far Cry 4?  I mean most of the sales are from console so why should PC get any extra treatment?  Especially considering most people's PCs are not super high end like some of the hardcore gamers.


Fary Cry 2 and Far Cry 3 were significantly better on PC. They also pushed fancy Direct X 10 and 11 fairly early on in the cycle.

Well they were on older gen, remember last gen lasted way longer than any other gen so by the time those came out it was probably at next to no expense for those better PC ports.  I can imagine them making the game and it was at the quality of the PC version, then they had to keep cutting back until the game was able to run on console.  

I can't stand it when PC gamers get pissed when they get console ports and call them gimped PC games, I could somewhat understand it at the end of last gen when the consoles were so out of date, but now you have got to be kidding me.  I remember that steam poll saying most PC gamer's PCs are weaker than the PS4, how the hell do the very few ppl that have super powerful PCs expect developers to significantly invest to make their version of the game better when almost no one is gonna benefit from it.  

FarCry 2 came out in 2008, both consoles were relatively new then. That didnt make Ubisoft gimp the PC version.



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The NX will be a 900p machine

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KingdomHeartsFan on 24 June 2014
SubiyaCryolite said:
KingdomHeartsFan said:
SubiyaCryolite said:
KingdomHeartsFan said:

Is there anyone that expected a super upgraded PC port for Far Cry 4?  I mean most of the sales are from console so why should PC get any extra treatment?  Especially considering most people's PCs are not super high end like some of the hardcore gamers.


Fary Cry 2 and Far Cry 3 were significantly better on PC. They also pushed fancy Direct X 10 and 11 fairly early on in the cycle.

Well they were on older gen, remember last gen lasted way longer than any other gen so by the time those came out it was probably at next to no expense for those better PC ports.  I can imagine them making the game and it was at the quality of the PC version, then they had to keep cutting back until the game was able to run on console.  

I can't stand it when PC gamers get pissed when they get console ports and call them gimped PC games, I could somewhat understand it at the end of last gen when the consoles were so out of date, but now you have got to be kidding me.  I remember that steam poll saying most PC gamer's PCs are weaker than the PS4, how the hell do the very few ppl that have super powerful PCs expect developers to significantly invest to make their version of the game better when almost no one is gonna benefit from it.  

FarCry 2 came out in 2008, both consoles were relatively new then. That didnt make Ubisoft gimp the PC version.

I just looked up the difference in FC2...that is no where near significant

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Epx3JBvErfk



S.T.A.G.E. on 24 June 2014
zarx said:
S.T.A.G.E. said:


Ok Watchdogs development process has nothing to do with Far Cry. Two different games with two different engines that both are lead on two different platforms. Sure, Watchdogs bottlenecked and was dumbed down, but that was because it was being dumbed down to be at least adequately playable for last gen consoles. Far Cry 3 is being made lead on PC (totally different and the opposite of the process with AC and Watchdogs) and its very telling about the different development process with the Cry engine because they managed to access ultra PC settings out of the new consoles. Thats amazing to me. I don't know how it could be seen as an insult. I thought every console multiplat which would lead on PC would be at least high on PC as they said it would be after the PS4 was revealed. This means the consoles which are getting ports of the PC version have more juice in them than we once thought. 

Also, I never doubted that PC sales are rising. I was just speaking primarily about Ubisoft games in general. Is that a Ubisoft list because it has no description of what it pertains to.

That was from Ubisoft's last financial call yes.

now addressing your other points.

Watch Dogs was made lead on PC http://www.pcgamer.com/2013/02/27/watch-dogs-is-targeting-pc-as-lead-platform/ r at least that is what Ubisoft's CEO said. They also said AC4 was PC lead as well http://gamingbolt.com/assassins-creed-4-black-flag-pc-is-lead-platform-will-be-ported-to-consoles. Not that it shows in the quality of the end project.

Far Cry 2,3 and 4 are not Cryengine actually they are built on the in house Dunia Engine. It should also be noted both Assassin's Creed's Anvil engine and Watch Dogs Disrupt engine actually use tech from Dunia. For example

"The Anvil and Dunia engines are quite relevant here as there are features that were taken from both of those engines and used in the construction of the Disrupt engine. So things like Assassin's management of an open world city, and Far Cry's vegetation and AI mechanics have been implemented in Disrupt."

http://www.destructoid.com/how-the-new-disrupt-engine-gives-life-to-watch-dogs-253470.phtml

Ubisoft have a central tech team that works on tools and technology fo all their games. It's based in Montreal and has over 100 developers just in that department. Having the tools and piepline be similar across all their projects is esential for how Ubisoft manages their development teams where each game is worked on by multiple studios around the world and developers switch between projects as needed. You don't want to have to retrain everyone when you are moving hundreds of people between projects.


Noted the sources. I See your point about the engines and the lead platform. My mistake.



SubiyaCryolite on 24 June 2014
KingdomHeartsFan said:

I just looked up the difference in FC2...that is no where near significant

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Epx3JBvErfk

A compressed 720p youtube video wont give you a good idea of the differences. Far Cry 2 and 3 were significantly enhanced ports on the PC. FC4 will cap out PC gamers at whatever the consoles can manage.

http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/far-cry-2-triple-format-face-off-article

http://www.gamespot.com/articles/far-cry-2-hardware-performance-guide/1100-6200616/

http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/digitalfoundry-far-cry-3-face-off



I predict that the Wii U will sell a total of 18 million units in its lifetime. 

The NX will be a 900p machine

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Ucell on 24 June 2014

A platform where most of their games are pirated shouldn't get preferential treatment anyway.

They are just giving PC gamers what they deserve for pirating their games. You reap what you sow.



Dusk on 24 June 2014
mornelithe said:
Dusk said:

Well the issue is that there is already disparity between PC's and consoles. Even when they were first released they weren't on the same level. There is no way you can jam $2500 worth of equipment and sell it in a console for $400-500. The PS4 and X1 are about the level of a mid range PC. 

Second to that you have to believe what Ubisoft is saying. They don't have a very good track record going for them at this point, most recently with the Watch Dogs controversy. So essentially if there is parity between the two, it will be because Ubisoft hasn't spent any time coding the game to the PC, not that it's a far toss from the consoles now mind you, or they have deliberately downgraded the visual fidelity of the PC offerings. 

See that's the thing that gets me here, they coded the game to PC (Watch Dogs), they spent the time, and then removed it...I mean they literally wasted man hours coding that shit, and then just cut it all, so essentially they just wasted money and and delayed the game.  That's the part I really don't get.


Wish I could help you understand, but I don't have any more insight into it than anybody else. If I were to guess though, the delay was probably to help fill the game roster at the time. But that's just a guess and nothing more. 



Gotta figure out how to set these up lol.

KingdomHeartsFan on 24 June 2014
SubiyaCryolite said:
KingdomHeartsFan said:

I just looked up the difference in FC2...that is no where near significant

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Epx3JBvErfk

A compressed 720p youtube video wont give you a good idea of the differences. Far Cry 2 and 3 were significantly enhanced ports on the PC. FC4 will cap out PC gamers at whatever the consoles can manage.

http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/far-cry-2-triple-format-face-off-article

http://www.gamespot.com/articles/far-cry-2-hardware-performance-guide/1100-6200616/

http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/digitalfoundry-far-cry-3-face-off

The biggest change I see is better anti alising on the PC version, everything else is minor imo. 



Baron on 25 June 2014
S.T.A.G.E. said:


Calling people names? 1). I am just saying what is true. The phrase "PC Master Race" was made by PC gamers. 2). I agree that consoles can hold PC's back but that just shows how much consoles matter when it comes to return on the sales of these games. If the opportunity presents itself why not allow equality. PC gamers don't get equality, just the few with the power to push their PC's. 3). There are more console gamers to have marvel at these games, so if the ability is there to reach ultra settings, I cannot see where the problem is.

Watchdogs was gimped. I agree on that completely, but the development processes of both of those games are completely different. PC has led for one and consoles for another. 4). Consoles have had to be optimized to reach ultra high settings on PC. Thats not gimping PC...it just means PC is the bar. Consoles wont have this ability for very long. PC graphics chips change very quickly so let console gamers relish these rare moments.

5). I have no entitlement. I like what I get on consoles. I got tired of upgrading when I used to game on PC as my school and work schedule get more hectic I dont really have the time. Maybe later, but just not now. I have no sense of entitlement. When I saw Skyrim on my friends PC when I had my PS3 i wanted a PC, but then I sucked it up and just played the game myself and guess what? I liked it regardless because I played the game.


1). No you don't. You say what you believe is true.

2). Which is entirely besides the point. The point is that you said Ubisoft might possibly have managed to extract the same performance from a PS4/XOne as a high end PC. That's quite literally impossible. Well, only if they aren't using that same high end PC for what it can do. Which is clearly the case here.

3). Which automatically means it's not an Ultra setting, because the PS4 and XOne are capable of doing it. That's normal setting than.
A 7970 has more than twice the power of a PS4. No amount of optimisations can overcome such a disadvantage. If the only difference between the console version and the PC version is a far higher fps for PC (just like Far Cry 3) than clearly Ubisoft hasn't pushed PC hardware at all so their 'Ultra' setting is a nicer way of saying "we ain't gonna try harder".

4). Ubisoft says it's Ultra High. That's most importent here. When I see Far Cry 4 I see a good looking game but in no way do I see a game that will make my gpu struggle to get 30 fps. I really don't care what kind of PR spin Ubisoft tries to put on it.

5). Yet you spend so much time defending those consoles. If you really didn't care about the graphic difference you wouldn't be here commenting on it.