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Zero999 on 18 June 2014
oniyide said:
Zero999 said:
oniyide said:

name em. Name me the shovelware games that sold millions on either PS or xbox

any fifa that isn't the first released on those consoles. most call of. tons of generic gray shooters rushed just because the genre was selling well... the list goes on, all consoles have shovelware.

yeah no, thats not shovelware. YOu dont even know what shovelware is LMAO. Oh and i never said all consoles didnt have shovelware. FPS arent shovelware, Sports games arent shovelware. You cant make up your own defintion

I'm not defining it by genre, in case you didn't notice (). those examples are mostly yearly releases without much care, some of them being just dlc disguised as games. sounds like the definition of shovelware to me.



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oniyide on 18 June 2014
Samus Aran said:
oniyide said:
Zero999 said:
oniyide said:
Zero999 said:
oniyide said:
Zero999 said:

if your excuse for an argument is calling wii's library shovelware, this conversation ends here.

thats not what hes saying at all. All he is saying is that the system DID have alot of shovelware, that is a fact. Not the whole library but a lot and those games actually did well especially compared to the more core games.

I can counter by saying lot's of shovelware sells millions of units on ps and xbox too.

name em. Name me the shovelware games that sold millions on either PS or xbox

any fifa that isn't the first released on those consoles. most call of. tons of generic gray shooters rushed just because the genre was selling well... the list goes on, all consoles have shovelware.

yeah no, thats not shovelware. YOu dont even know what shovelware is LMAO. Oh and i never said all consoles didnt have shovelware. FPS arent shovelware, Sports games arent shovelware. You cant make up your own defintion

I didn't know there was a term worse than shovelware? 

There are a lot of bad games on the PS3/XBOX360 that only reviewed well because they were obviously bought. There's no way in hell that FIFA 14 gets a 87% on metacritic when DKC: TF gets slammed by those same reviewers for being the same thing as its predecessor. 

man the bitterness and ignorance is funny. YOu do know reviewers arent some hive mind. How about you find a review for Fifa 14 then find a review for DKC TF with the SAME reviewer then you MIGHT have an argument. And what does that have to do with anything? a bad game doesnt mean its shovelware. Look at the actual defintion of shovelware



oniyide on 18 June 2014
Zero999 said:
oniyide said:
Zero999 said:
oniyide said:

name em. Name me the shovelware games that sold millions on either PS or xbox

any fifa that isn't the first released on those consoles. most call of. tons of generic gray shooters rushed just because the genre was selling well... the list goes on, all consoles have shovelware.

yeah no, thats not shovelware. YOu dont even know what shovelware is LMAO. Oh and i never said all consoles didnt have shovelware. FPS arent shovelware, Sports games arent shovelware. You cant make up your own defintion

I'm not defining it by genre, in case you didn't notice (). those examples are mostly yearly releases without much care, some of them being just dlc disguised as games. sounds like the definition of shovelware to me.

you dont know the defintion of shovelware look it up. I did



Samus Aran on 18 June 2014
oniyide said:
Samus Aran said:
oniyide said:
Zero999 said:
oniyide said:
Zero999 said:
oniyide said:
Zero999 said:

if your excuse for an argument is calling wii's library shovelware, this conversation ends here.

thats not what hes saying at all. All he is saying is that the system DID have alot of shovelware, that is a fact. Not the whole library but a lot and those games actually did well especially compared to the more core games.

I can counter by saying lot's of shovelware sells millions of units on ps and xbox too.

name em. Name me the shovelware games that sold millions on either PS or xbox

any fifa that isn't the first released on those consoles. most call of. tons of generic gray shooters rushed just because the genre was selling well... the list goes on, all consoles have shovelware.

yeah no, thats not shovelware. YOu dont even know what shovelware is LMAO. Oh and i never said all consoles didnt have shovelware. FPS arent shovelware, Sports games arent shovelware. You cant make up your own defintion

I didn't know there was a term worse than shovelware? 

There are a lot of bad games on the PS3/XBOX360 that only reviewed well because they were obviously bought. There's no way in hell that FIFA 14 gets a 87% on metacritic when DKC: TF gets slammed by those same reviewers for being the same thing as its predecessor. 

man the bitterness and ignorance is funny. YOu do know reviewers arent some hive mind. How about you find a review for Fifa 14 then find a review for DKC TF with the SAME reviewer then you MIGHT have an argument. And what does that have to do with anything? a bad game doesnt mean its shovelware. Look at the actual defintion of shovelware

It doesn't matter who writes the review: the reviewer gets paid by his "company" (IGN for example) and that company gets paid by the publisher. You're naive if you think this doesn't happen a lot. The yearly FIFA games are poorly disguised DLC.

You think Bungie isn't going to buy all the important reviews of Destiny with a marketing budget of $400.000.000? 



curl-6 on 18 June 2014

Wii U does need a price cut; it's too expensive for the family audience it's trying to capture.
It needs to be $200/$250USD for Mario Kart and its ilk to have their full effect.



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oniyide on 18 June 2014
Samus Aran said:
oniyide said:
Samus Aran said:
oniyide said:
Zero999 said:
oniyide said:
Zero999 said:
oniyide said:
Zero999 said:

if your excuse for an argument is calling wii's library shovelware, this conversation ends here.

thats not what hes saying at all. All he is saying is that the system DID have alot of shovelware, that is a fact. Not the whole library but a lot and those games actually did well especially compared to the more core games.

I can counter by saying lot's of shovelware sells millions of units on ps and xbox too.

name em. Name me the shovelware games that sold millions on either PS or xbox

any fifa that isn't the first released on those consoles. most call of. tons of generic gray shooters rushed just because the genre was selling well... the list goes on, all consoles have shovelware.

yeah no, thats not shovelware. YOu dont even know what shovelware is LMAO. Oh and i never said all consoles didnt have shovelware. FPS arent shovelware, Sports games arent shovelware. You cant make up your own defintion

I didn't know there was a term worse than shovelware? 

There are a lot of bad games on the PS3/XBOX360 that only reviewed well because they were obviously bought. There's no way in hell that FIFA 14 gets a 87% on metacritic when DKC: TF gets slammed by those same reviewers for being the same thing as its predecessor. 

man the bitterness and ignorance is funny. YOu do know reviewers arent some hive mind. How about you find a review for Fifa 14 then find a review for DKC TF with the SAME reviewer then you MIGHT have an argument. And what does that have to do with anything? a bad game doesnt mean its shovelware. Look at the actual defintion of shovelware

It doesn't matter who writes the review: the reviewer gets paid by his "company" (IGN for example) and that company gets paid by the publisher. You're naive if you think this doesn't happen a lot. The yearly FIFA games are poorly disguised DLC.

You think Bungie isn't going to buy all the important reviews of Destiny with a marketing budget of $400.000.000? 


ANNNDDDD what does any of that have to do with what I was talkign about? Nothing. Dont even know why you brought it up and lets say that is true why does it bother you so much? What does that have to do with shovelware? nada



Jay70sgamer on 18 June 2014
oniyide said:
Jay70sgamer said:
Arcturus said:
Jay70sgamer said:
Arcturus said:
fedfed said:
Sorry guys isn't the X1 performing worst than WiiU?
i mean isn't the market performing very badly overall?

Even though there are less Xbox One consoles on the market compared to Wii U consoles, Ubisoft's games still sell much better on Xbox One. For example, AC4 sold 0.79M on XOne versus 0.18 on WiiU.

I agree with your graph ..but put a graph of child of light,raymans legend and just dance 2014 and it will tell a different story than this graph as with the right type of games and right marketing wii u can sell on third parties ...just saying 

You're right. There are certain 3rd party games that have sales that are closer to other consoles, like Just Dance and Rayman Legends. What does that tell us though? Wii U owners are less interested in games like Assassin's Creed and Call of Duty, and more interested in games like Rayman Legends and Just Dance. Ubisoft will probably continue releasing games like Just Dance on the Wii U, but they will probably pass on creating the next Assassin's Creed for Wii U.

I don't think people are less interested in Ubisoft 3rd party ..I just think they don't advertise or put much emphasis in the wii u version just look at assasins creed or call of duty ..they have you in a mystery until the last month if it's even coming to the wii u or in commercials they would show every version box art except the wii u and it's being released on the wii u ...if they show more emphasis in the wii u maybe people will buy it more ...like show what it could do with the second screen etc

not true at all. AC ads shows ALL versions. Ive seenit on billboards. Unless they have exclusve ads (i think with Sony). Same for COD wish people actually did research, MS has had exclusive ads for YEARS. Funny enough doesnt stop PS version from doing good. So clearly ads arent the problem and lets be real. Its 2014 how easy would it be to find out what is released for what system? A click away. So its not the ads, thats a sad excuse. 

It comes down to two reasons. People have other consoles besides Wii U( and judging from sales this is likely) so they choose to play on those especially since COD is so MP heavy. OR the Wii U demograph is not that interested. Pick one.

Trust me I do research and do you remember last year and the year before last call of duty was not announced for the wii u until very late so it would affect sales because if a person did not know it existed ..how would they  know to buy it on that system and also when commercials are shown it is usually shown for xbox or playstation ..you have to remember the average consumer is going on what they see on tv ..not like a gamer that knows when a game comes out .....so when they go to gamestop or bestbuy they know what system it's on because it's what they saw or their child saw on tv ...advertisement plays a huge role in what people are aware of and not aware of .....example ..watchdogs  if watchdogs was released for wii u at the same time as the other versions and advertised what the wii u gamepad brought to the gameplay do you not think it would have a better chance at higher sales because it was advertised the advantages that the wii u could provide



oniyide on 18 June 2014
Jay70sgamer said:
oniyide said:
Jay70sgamer said:
Arcturus said:
Jay70sgamer said:
Arcturus said:
fedfed said:
Sorry guys isn't the X1 performing worst than WiiU?
i mean isn't the market performing very badly overall?

Even though there are less Xbox One consoles on the market compared to Wii U consoles, Ubisoft's games still sell much better on Xbox One. For example, AC4 sold 0.79M on XOne versus 0.18 on WiiU.

I agree with your graph ..but put a graph of child of light,raymans legend and just dance 2014 and it will tell a different story than this graph as with the right type of games and right marketing wii u can sell on third parties ...just saying 

You're right. There are certain 3rd party games that have sales that are closer to other consoles, like Just Dance and Rayman Legends. What does that tell us though? Wii U owners are less interested in games like Assassin's Creed and Call of Duty, and more interested in games like Rayman Legends and Just Dance. Ubisoft will probably continue releasing games like Just Dance on the Wii U, but they will probably pass on creating the next Assassin's Creed for Wii U.

I don't think people are less interested in Ubisoft 3rd party ..I just think they don't advertise or put much emphasis in the wii u version just look at assasins creed or call of duty ..they have you in a mystery until the last month if it's even coming to the wii u or in commercials they would show every version box art except the wii u and it's being released on the wii u ...if they show more emphasis in the wii u maybe people will buy it more ...like show what it could do with the second screen etc

not true at all. AC ads shows ALL versions. Ive seenit on billboards. Unless they have exclusve ads (i think with Sony). Same for COD wish people actually did research, MS has had exclusive ads for YEARS. Funny enough doesnt stop PS version from doing good. So clearly ads arent the problem and lets be real. Its 2014 how easy would it be to find out what is released for what system? A click away. So its not the ads, thats a sad excuse. 

It comes down to two reasons. People have other consoles besides Wii U( and judging from sales this is likely) so they choose to play on those especially since COD is so MP heavy. OR the Wii U demograph is not that interested. Pick one.

Trust me I do research and do you remember last year and the year before last call of duty was not announced for the wii u until very late so it would affect sales because if a person did not know it existed ..how would they  know to buy it on that system and also when commercials are shown it is usually shown for xbox or playstation ..you have to remember the average consumer is going on what they see on tv ..not like a gamer that knows when a game comes out .....so when they go to gamestop or bestbuy they know what system it's on because it's what they saw or their child saw on tv 

No commercials are NEVER shown for PS. MS has EXCLUSIVE ads with the COD series. But it STILL doesnt stop the PS versions from doing well. You keep ignoring this vital point. All of you keep dodging this point...i wonder why. 

Ok so they dont announce it till late. But lets use some sense. COD games have been coming to Ninty platforms for YEARS. If you are a COD player on Ninty systems you KNOW its coming. And this is 2014 you think someone cant easily find out if a game is coming or not, yes even a child can do it. No excuses. and the WIi U version was cheaper.How would they know? internet, like most other things. The average consumer no damn near all consumers use internet. Let me put it to you this way if you are a WIi U only owner. What difference does it make when its annoucned or if there are commercials? You're a WIi U only owner and a COD player so you would def be checking for it too come out. Otherwise you didnt have that much of an interest in the first place. And if you have more than a WIi U you most likely wont be buying it for WIi u in the first place so no lose there.



Jay70sgamer on 18 June 2014
Samus Aran said:
oniyide said:
Samus Aran said:
oniyide said:
Zero999 said:
oniyide said:
Zero999 said:
oniyide said:
Zero999 said:

if your excuse for an argument is calling wii's library shovelware, this conversation ends here.

thats not what hes saying at all. All he is saying is that the system DID have alot of shovelware, that is a fact. Not the whole library but a lot and those games actually did well especially compared to the more core games.

I can counter by saying lot's of shovelware sells millions of units on ps and xbox too.

name em. Name me the shovelware games that sold millions on either PS or xbox

any fifa that isn't the first released on those consoles. most call of. tons of generic gray shooters rushed just because the genre was selling well... the list goes on, all consoles have shovelware.

yeah no, thats not shovelware. YOu dont even know what shovelware is LMAO. Oh and i never said all consoles didnt have shovelware. FPS arent shovelware, Sports games arent shovelware. You cant make up your own defintion

I didn't know there was a term worse than shovelware? 

There are a lot of bad games on the PS3/XBOX360 that only reviewed well because they were obviously bought. There's no way in hell that FIFA 14 gets a 87% on metacritic when DKC: TF gets slammed by those same reviewers for being the same thing as its predecessor. 

man the bitterness and ignorance is funny. YOu do know reviewers arent some hive mind. How about you find a review for Fifa 14 then find a review for DKC TF with the SAME reviewer then you MIGHT have an argument. And what does that have to do with anything? a bad game doesnt mean its shovelware. Look at the actual defintion of shovelware

It doesn't matter who writes the review: the reviewer gets paid by his "company" (IGN for example) and that company gets paid by the publisher. You're naive if you think this doesn't happen a lot. The yearly FIFA games are poorly disguised DLC.

You think Bungie isn't going to buy all the important reviews of Destiny with a marketing budget of $400.000.000? 

^^^^^^^^^^^exactly



Jay70sgamer on 18 June 2014
oniyide said:
Jay70sgamer said:
oniyide said:
Jay70sgamer said:
Arcturus said:
Jay70sgamer said:
Arcturus said:
fedfed said:
Sorry guys isn't the X1 performing worst than WiiU?
i mean isn't the market performing very badly overall?

Even though there are less Xbox One consoles on the market compared to Wii U consoles, Ubisoft's games still sell much better on Xbox One. For example, AC4 sold 0.79M on XOne versus 0.18 on WiiU.

I agree with your graph ..but put a graph of child of light,raymans legend and just dance 2014 and it will tell a different story than this graph as with the right type of games and right marketing wii u can sell on third parties ...just saying 

You're right. There are certain 3rd party games that have sales that are closer to other consoles, like Just Dance and Rayman Legends. What does that tell us though? Wii U owners are less interested in games like Assassin's Creed and Call of Duty, and more interested in games like Rayman Legends and Just Dance. Ubisoft will probably continue releasing games like Just Dance on the Wii U, but they will probably pass on creating the next Assassin's Creed for Wii U.

I don't think people are less interested in Ubisoft 3rd party ..I just think they don't advertise or put much emphasis in the wii u version just look at assasins creed or call of duty ..they have you in a mystery until the last month if it's even coming to the wii u or in commercials they would show every version box art except the wii u and it's being released on the wii u ...if they show more emphasis in the wii u maybe people will buy it more ...like show what it could do with the second screen etc

not true at all. AC ads shows ALL versions. Ive seenit on billboards. Unless they have exclusve ads (i think with Sony). Same for COD wish people actually did research, MS has had exclusive ads for YEARS. Funny enough doesnt stop PS version from doing good. So clearly ads arent the problem and lets be real. Its 2014 how easy would it be to find out what is released for what system? A click away. So its not the ads, thats a sad excuse. 

It comes down to two reasons. People have other consoles besides Wii U( and judging from sales this is likely) so they choose to play on those especially since COD is so MP heavy. OR the Wii U demograph is not that interested. Pick one.

Trust me I do research and do you remember last year and the year before last call of duty was not announced for the wii u until very late so it would affect sales because if a person did not know it existed ..how would they  know to buy it on that system and also when commercials are shown it is usually shown for xbox or playstation ..you have to remember the average consumer is going on what they see on tv ..not like a gamer that knows when a game comes out .....so when they go to gamestop or bestbuy they know what system it's on because it's what they saw or their child saw on tv 

No commercials are NEVER shown for PS. MS has EXCLUSIVE ads with the COD series. But it STILL doesnt stop the PS versions from doing well. You keep ignoring this vital point. All of you keep dodging this point...i wonder why. 

Ok so they dont announce it till late. But lets use some sense. COD games have been coming to Ninty platforms for YEARS. If you are a COD player on Ninty systems you KNOW its coming. And this is 2014 you think someone cant easily find out if a game is coming or not, yes even a child can do it. No excuses. and the WIi U version was cheaper.How would they know? internet, like most other things. The average consumer no damn near all consumers use internet. Let me put it to you this way if you are a WIi U only owner. What difference does it make when its annoucned or if there are commercials? You're a WIi U only owner and a COD player so you would def be checking for it too come out. Otherwise you didnt have that much of an interest in the first place. And if you have more than a WIi U you most likely wont be buying it for WIi u in the first place so no lose there.

You're missing the point the average consumer does not go on the Internet to see if call of duty will be released or not that is what advertising does advise people when your product is coming out ...do you think the average consumer goes on the Internet to see when a game is coming out no that is why you advertise to make people aware smh and to you point it sells on playstation because it is a popular franchise and all CoD games have not been released on nintendo consoles so it not "common sense"  to "know" its coming or gonna be released smh ...do you know if call of duty is gonna be on wii u this year ? No u don't because nobody does lol so not knowing if it's gonna be on wii u or not isn't gonna affect sales when it'already known to be released on. Xbox one and playstation 4