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Devil_Survivor said:
I sort of get where he is coming from since the environment for 3rd party games is much tougher on Wii U than the other two consoles simply because of Nintendo's first party games. However, he is making a "putting the horse before the cart" argument by basically wanting Nintendo build a large install base by themselves so they can get whatever sales levels they want when they could help make that happen faster by bringing their games on to the Wii U. This is all kind strange since Ubisoft was the big 3rd party developer that was helping the Wii U build the install base it has and put in time and money in. The 6 million the Wii U has in part thanks to Ubisoft and now they sort of undermining that work.


??? thats what they have been doing and it hasnt been working. And in the first place its not their responsibility to sell consoles. Never was never will be. Name another 3rd party that has put more support on Wii U than Ubi? How come this issue never comes up with the other two?



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Gintoki said:
Their argument is flawed as fuck, are they giving up the Xbox One while it's currently in third place ? Nope. Of course they go on thinking they can sell better on One than on Wii U, but they're to blame on Wii U, they delay games, say craps, and then complaint. If they just released games same time and with a decent advertisement too it would sell better, but now it is too late, they somehow pissed most people on Wii U even if the Wii U performs well, Ubi's game aside from Just Dance have little chances to perform good.


LOL you should not talk flawed argument as yours is way worse the theirs.  

Any X1 game is just a cheaap easy money PS4 port.  That fact destroys your illogical rant.



Yakuzaice said:
Devil_Survivor said:

If your talking just unit sales then yes the PS3 did better than Wii U in the first 18 months, however when it comes to money made well...... we know how that worked out for Sony.

Why would Ubisoft base their decisions on where to put software on money made by the platform holder?  Unless they thought there was a risk of PS3 production stopping it didn't really matter to their business.  The Wii made Nintendo a lot more money than the PS2 made Sony, but that didn't stop third parties from selling hundreds of millions more software on the PS2.


LOL they are just throwing crap at the wall to see what sticks. His argument didnt even make sense, like Sony finances have anything to do with Ubi.

It blows my mind we are on a sales website and people still come up with nonsense just to prove something wrong that isnt wrong.



Cobretti2 said:


If by tons of games you mean the shovelware and fitness/dance games then sure.

The point I am making games that apeal to core gamers haven't really sold that well on Wii anyway with a huge install base.

if your excuse for an argument is calling wii's library shovelware, this conversation ends here.



Conina said:
amak11 said:

3.)They aren't competing. How straight do I have to be with you? They are NOT competing. Nintendo, Sony and MS has accepted that fact. The last time Nintendo competed they got stomped, Gamecube, second strongest console of 6th generation. Xbox being the strongest. Both of these consoles got stomped by the weaker PS2. Nintendo chose a strategy in the 7th generation of fun and affordability and clearly being the overal sale winner in that generation says something. 

Sure Nintendo is competing with Sony and Microsoft, they are in the same market. All three try to sell home consoles and video games, don't they?

Sony, Microsoft and Nintendo are competing for their share of the console-market (hardware and software). Additionally, they are competing with other platforms for video games (PC, iOS, Android...). Additionally they compete with other entertainment venues (movies, TV, books, internet, music,...) 

There's a finite amount of time and money people want/can to spend for entertainment... video games are only a part of that budget.

Even that being said, it's public knowledge Nintendo doesn't want in to the clone wars. 



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amak11 said:
Pristine20 said:


1. Console isn't weak relatively to ps4/X1? Your fanboyism is off the charts with that one.

2. Yes, terrible network functionality relative to ps4/x1.

3.  You mean nintedno's own titles? Well, I only find FE interesting of the bunch but that one is not popular. Make no mistake, these companies are all competing no matter what they tell you.

4. No man. Yours doesn't hold water. Tekken Tag 2 on Wii U is the best version of the game. Shows how much you know huh? It even has an extra mode unavailable on the PS360 versions. They want defining experiences yet they won't buy any. Compare to early in ps3's life when it truly got crap ports like Fallout 3, Orange box, etc yet they still sold millions.

5. I'm comparing apples to apples. It's 0.22m on wii in Japan vs .43m on ps3 in Japan. Nice spin you put there. This is despite coming out on Wii a year earlier and the Wii having  triple the userbase back then.

Take your own advise and don't be such a fanboy then you may realise why business people think porting to the Wii U is a waste of money. Just because you bought one copy of a game doesn't mean it sold well.

 

1.) Calling me a fanboy for saying it's not weak is stupid on your part. I made zero comparisons, re-read what I said. You made the comparisons to the PS4/One and I did not. Ninty hater, I suggest you read the forum rules when it comes to being rude. 

2.)Why are you comparing it to Sony and Microsoft and not the original Wii Network? I bet you don't have a Wii U so such a claim is very bias on your part. You have no right to say when you have no idea. Your opinion is wrong (and I can say that here). 

3.)They aren't competing. How straight do I have to be with you? They are NOT competing. Nintendo, Sony and MS has accepted that fact. The last time Nintendo competed they got stomped, Gamecube, second strongest console of 6th generation. Xbox being the strongest. Both of these consoles got stomped by the weaker PS2. Nintendo chose a strategy in the 7th generation of fun and affordability and clearly being the overal sale winner in that generation says something. 

4.)Again, console owners do not want terrible ports. You're talking about a fighting game, which doesn't sell on Nintendo platforms in comparison to Smash Bros. My logic is more solid than yours, they want defining experiences that DO NOT remove features, including DLC. You're sticking to one game, which is your mistake here. 

5.) You tried comparing a game that sold in one region vs a game that sold in all regions. Do you not know how to read numbers? It was statistically impossible for the Wii version to outsell the PS3 version which was released in multiple regions. 

If you want some real advice (not advise, which is a completely different tense). Don't be rude with people and state your opinions as undeniable facts. When people come at you with facts don't try and reword so that the other person said something complete different. Lastly, calling someone a fanboy in anargument makes your statement completely illogical and obsolete. If you want to have another round of name calling I have a few names tossing around in my head that would get me banned. 

1. Lol, semantics. Processing power is relative to the time period. A Wii U would have been a super computer in 1990 relative to the competition but in 2014, it's weak relative to the competition. Get it now? Processing power is always relative to the options available.

2. I'm comparing to Sony and MS because they are the competition. Last I checked, Wii U is not competing with the Wii

3.  Ok sir, looks like you've fallen for PR, hook, line and sinker. "Fun" is opinionated so please stop abusing that term. COD4 was good fun for me. Super Mario Galaxy? Not so much.

4. PS3 owners bought them anyway because they were decent games at heart. People buy nintendo consoles for nintendo games not for 3rd party titles. Has been that way somewhat since PS1 launch but now 10X more so since the Wii.

5. Learn to read before spouting gibberish. I compared Japanese sales for both versions.

I'm not looking for your advise. The way you defend them though, I'd have expected you to be proud of the label lol. Feel free to call me whatever you want, just watch out for the banhammer.

 

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"Dr. Tenma, according to you, lives are equal. That's why I live today. But you must have realised it by now...the only thing people are equal in is death"---Johann Liebert (MONSTER)

"WAR is a racket. It always has been.

It is possibly the oldest, easily the most profitable, surely the most vicious. It is the only one international in scope. It is the only one in which the profits are reckoned in dollars and the losses in lives"---Maj. Gen. Smedley Butler

Zero999 said:
Cobretti2 said:


If by tons of games you mean the shovelware and fitness/dance games then sure.

The point I am making games that apeal to core gamers haven't really sold that well on Wii anyway with a huge install base.

if your excuse for an argument is calling wii's library shovelware, this conversation ends here.

thats not what hes saying at all. All he is saying is that the system DID have alot of shovelware, that is a fact. Not the whole library but a lot and those games actually did well especially compared to the more core games.



Pristine20 said:

1. Lol, semantics. Processing power is relative to the time period. A Wii U would have been a super computer in 1990 relative to the competition but in 2014, it's weak relative to the competition. Get it now? Processing power is always relative to the options available.

2. I'm comparing to Sony and MS because they are the competition. Last I checked, Wii U is not competing with the Wii

3.  Ok sir, looks like you've fallen for PR, hoo, line and sinker. "Fun" is opinionated so please stop abusing that term. COD4 was good fun for me. Super Mario Galaxy? Not so much.

4. PS3 owners bought them anyway because they were decent games at heart. Your denial is real. People buy nintendo consoles for nintendo games not for 3rd party titles. Has been that way somewhat since PS1 launch but now 10X more so since the Wii.

5. Learn to read before spouting gibberish. I compared Japanese sales for both versions.

I'm not looking for your advise. The way you defend them though, I'd have expected you to be proud of the label lol. Feel free to call me whatever you want, just watch out for the banhammer.

Know what, think whatever you want because it's your opinion, not fact. If you want to call me a fanboy constantly at an attempt to get a rise out of me to otherwise see me banned as a "minor victory" for you. Good luck troll, I've reported two of your post here, if anything you'll be banned in no time. 

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amak11 said:
Pristine20 said:

1. Lol, semantics. Processing power is relative to the time period. A Wii U would have been a super computer in 1990 relative to the competition but in 2014, it's weak relative to the competition. Get it now? Processing power is always relative to the options available.

2. I'm comparing to Sony and MS because they are the competition. Last I checked, Wii U is not competing with the Wii

3.  Ok sir, looks like you've fallen for PR, hoo, line and sinker. "Fun" is opinionated so please stop abusing that term. COD4 was good fun for me. Super Mario Galaxy? Not so much.

4. PS3 owners bought them anyway because they were decent games at heart. Your denial is real. People buy nintendo consoles for nintendo games not for 3rd party titles. Has been that way somewhat since PS1 launch but now 10X more so since the Wii.

5. Learn to read before spouting gibberish. I compared Japanese sales for both versions.

I'm not looking for your advise. The way you defend them though, I'd have expected you to be proud of the label lol. Feel free to call me whatever you want, just watch out for the banhammer.

Know what, think whatever you want because it's your opinion, not fact. If you want to call me a fanboy constantly at an attempt to get a rise out of me to otherwise see me banned as a "minor victory" for you. Good luck troll, I've reported two of your post here, if anything you'll be banned in no time. 

Comparing nintendo to it's compettion is considered trolling now? Okay man, whatever you say...



"Dr. Tenma, according to you, lives are equal. That's why I live today. But you must have realised it by now...the only thing people are equal in is death"---Johann Liebert (MONSTER)

"WAR is a racket. It always has been.

It is possibly the oldest, easily the most profitable, surely the most vicious. It is the only one international in scope. It is the only one in which the profits are reckoned in dollars and the losses in lives"---Maj. Gen. Smedley Butler

padib said:
Conina said:

Sony got its shit together pretty fast: https://www.ubisoftgroup.com/comsite_common/en-US/images/Annual_Report_2008tcm9927542.pdf

PS3 share of Ubisoft's revenue for 04/2007 - 03/2008 (first full year after the launch window) was 20 percent.

Wii U share of Ubisoft's revenue for 04/2013 - 03/2014 (first full year after the launch window) is 3 percent.

PS3 has proven itself a good investment for Ubisoft in its first 18 months, Wii U hasn't.

Sure, however it seems more like a self-fulfilling prophecy than a matter of causality.

I can't remember seeing a blockbuster IP by Ubisoft premiering on the U, do you?

To recall, AC 1's 1st release date was Nov 13 2007.

Watchdogs is about to have its preimiere and before you sceam delay. It wasnt going ot have great sales.