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Experimental42 on 16 June 2014
Yakuzaice said:
Experimental42 said:

Regardless of if the numbers were accurate or not, the thread was still spot on. Those overtracked numbers were indeed why Nintendo fans were excited, so I don't see how that's wrong? It's like if I made a thread about how people in Germany thought Hitler was a cool dude. Then they lost and found out he wasn't so cool afterall. It doesn't change the fact that at the time they thought he was cool. I'm pretty confident the majority of the people on this board missed the entire reason of that thread. I blame myself, as I'm used to hanging out at forums that usually have active debates, and this is my first foray into the world of console warriors.

And I did think those numbers were worldwide, so it's lining up with my expectations by pure chance do to misunderstanding.

This is exactly what you are doing in this thread though.  In your hypothetical you'd be calling people fools for ever believing in Hitler, and that it is impressive he didn't lose until '45.

My issue is less with your initial thread, and more with your attempt in this thread to whitewash the numbers.  The VGC numbers were accepted by you until it turned out that the actual numbers were much lower.  Then all of a sudden people were fools for expecting higher numbers, and the significantly lower numbers are impressive.


Yes, but you missed the entire point of the thread. The thread was to explain why people were excited for Nintendo. It is 100% irrelevant as to whether those numbers were accurate, the thread was about people's reaction to the numbers, not the numbers themselves. Nintendo could have somehow magically lost sales by buying back 100,000 units it had sold before and it wouldn't have made a difference as to the thread's validity.

I try really hard, though don't always succeed, to not let venom seep into my posts, but your inability to grasp the concept is frustrating.



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cheese007 on 16 June 2014
bubblegamer said:
This is interesting;

You know with the fact that Hardware is up 95% YOY and with May 2013 as it was

Total Hardware for May 2014 should be around 854k or so

With Wii U at 60k of that, so 794k for PS4, XB1, 360, PS3, 3DS, and Vita

I have a feeling PS4 might've done very well this month

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=116896400&postcount=1022

Thinking VGC undertracked? And by how much?



OfficerRaichu15 on 16 June 2014
bubblegamer said:
This is interesting;

You know with the fact that Hardware is up 95% YOY and with May 2013 as it was

Total Hardware for May 2014 should be around 854k or so

With Wii U at 60k of that, so 794k for PS4, XB1, 360, PS3, 3DS, and Vita

I have a feeling PS4 might've done very well this month

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=116896400&postcount=1022

i do too i actually think it will do over 350k

and 3ds for me will be 130k with xbox  one not sure

ps3/xbox 360 should so about 170k together



Bets:

(Won)Bet with TechoHobbit: He(Techno) says 10 million by January 1,2014 I say 9 million by then. Winner gets 2 weeks of sig control.

(Lost)Bet with kinisking: I say Ps4 will win April NPD while he says Xbox One will win it; winner gets 1 week of avatar control.

Raichu's First Series:

First RPG?

First Fighter?

First Racer?

First Shooter?

First MMO?

First Horror?

Official Ni No Kuni Fanboy:

Familiars Captured:37

Game Beaten: 2 times almost

Times I got teary during some scenes: 3

bubblegamer on 16 June 2014
DonFerrari said:
bubblegamer said:
This is interesting;

You know with the fact that Hardware is up 95% YOY and with May 2013 as it was

Total Hardware for May 2014 should be around 854k or so

With Wii U at 60k of that, so 794k for PS4, XB1, 360, PS3, 3DS, and Vita

I have a feeling PS4 might've done very well this month

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=116896400&postcount=1022


95% up on revenue not units.

But the source say hardware sales jumped 95% and nothing more. Do we know for sure?

This silence is taking too long



DonFerrari on 16 June 2014
Experimental42 said:
Yakuzaice said:
Experimental42 said:

Regardless of if the numbers were accurate or not, the thread was still spot on. Those overtracked numbers were indeed why Nintendo fans were excited, so I don't see how that's wrong? It's like if I made a thread about how people in Germany thought Hitler was a cool dude. Then they lost and found out he wasn't so cool afterall. It doesn't change the fact that at the time they thought he was cool. I'm pretty confident the majority of the people on this board missed the entire reason of that thread. I blame myself, as I'm used to hanging out at forums that usually have active debates, and this is my first foray into the world of console warriors.

And I did think those numbers were worldwide, so it's lining up with my expectations by pure chance do to misunderstanding.

This is exactly what you are doing in this thread though.  In your hypothetical you'd be calling people fools for ever believing in Hitler, and that it is impressive he didn't lose until '45.

My issue is less with your initial thread, and more with your attempt in this thread to whitewash the numbers.  The VGC numbers were accepted by you until it turned out that the actual numbers were much lower.  Then all of a sudden people were fools for expecting higher numbers, and the significantly lower numbers are impressive.


Yes, but you missed the entire point of the thread. The thread was to explain why people were excited for Nintendo. It is 100% irrelevant as to whether those numbers were accurate, the thread was about people's reaction to the numbers, not the numbers themselves. Nintendo could have somehow magically lost sales by buying back 100,000 units it had sold before and it wouldn't have made a difference as to the thread's validity.

I try really hard, though don't always succeed, to not let venom seep into my posts, but your inability to grasp the concept is frustrating.

Frustrating is your complete inability to link things... so people being happy of WiiU selling 85k doesn't relate to WiiU actually selling like 20k for the same week? How is that... it's like saying people being happy on a lie is no problem because the point was just that they were happy, not that they seem miserable right now.



duduspace11 "Well, since we are estimating costs, Pokemon Red/Blue did cost Nintendo about $50m to make back in 1996"

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=8808363

Mr Puggsly: "Hehe, I said good profit. You said big profit. Frankly, not losing money is what I meant by good. Don't get hung up on semantics"

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=9008994

Azzanation: "PS5 wouldn't sold out at launch without scalpers."

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Aura7541 on 16 June 2014

Geoff Keighley

Xbox on May sales: "Xbox One is off to the hottest start in Xbox history....We look forward to the next chapter of the new generation."

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=116896841&postcount=1036

I don't even....



OfficerRaichu15 on 16 June 2014

actually i almost got 65k for wii u :P
because 35k last year 85% of that is 29750 and add those together
and you get 64750 or about 65k



Bets:

(Won)Bet with TechoHobbit: He(Techno) says 10 million by January 1,2014 I say 9 million by then. Winner gets 2 weeks of sig control.

(Lost)Bet with kinisking: I say Ps4 will win April NPD while he says Xbox One will win it; winner gets 1 week of avatar control.

Raichu's First Series:

First RPG?

First Fighter?

First Racer?

First Shooter?

First MMO?

First Horror?

Official Ni No Kuni Fanboy:

Familiars Captured:37

Game Beaten: 2 times almost

Times I got teary during some scenes: 3

tbone51 on 16 June 2014
bubblegamer said:
This is interesting;

You know with the fact that Hardware is up 95% YOY and with May 2013 as it was

Total Hardware for May 2014 should be around 854k or so

With Wii U at 60k of that, so 794k for PS4, XB1, 360, PS3, 3DS, and Vita

I have a feeling PS4 might've done very well this month

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=116896400&postcount=1022


That dont make any sense though. 3DS is the 2nd highest and it didn't have any new SKU/games. Unless PS4 sold over 500k O.o

Lets see, pretend that 3ds sold 100k, everything after that aside from ps4 sells 80k each. thats 420k (which is impossible) that leaves ps4 at least 374k.

Edit: Not directing it at you, just numbers dont add up lol



DonFerrari on 16 June 2014
bubblegamer said:
DonFerrari said:
bubblegamer said:
This is interesting;

You know with the fact that Hardware is up 95% YOY and with May 2013 as it was

Total Hardware for May 2014 should be around 854k or so

With Wii U at 60k of that, so 794k for PS4, XB1, 360, PS3, 3DS, and Vita

I have a feeling PS4 might've done very well this month

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=116896400&postcount=1022


95% up on revenue not units.

But the source say hardware sales jumped 95% and nothing more. Do we know for sure?

This silence is taking too long


In a post from like 1h30 ago there was a mention on an article that HW revenue went up 95%... it's in this thread, but maybe a little hard to find, I'll paste here if I find.

a glimpse of the new http://www.psu.com/forums/showthread.php/327583-May-NPD-arrives-and-you-ll-never-guess-who-won



duduspace11 "Well, since we are estimating costs, Pokemon Red/Blue did cost Nintendo about $50m to make back in 1996"

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=8808363

Mr Puggsly: "Hehe, I said good profit. You said big profit. Frankly, not losing money is what I meant by good. Don't get hung up on semantics"

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=9008994

Azzanation: "PS5 wouldn't sold out at launch without scalpers."

bubblegamer on 16 June 2014
Aura7541 said:
Geoff Keighley

Xbox on May sales: "Xbox One is off to the hottest start in Xbox history....We look forward to the next chapter of the new generation."

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=116896841&postcount=1036

I don't even....


Oh my God that is all they could come up with this month? This is beyond terrible..