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Samus Aran said:
naruball said:
I don't see how the OP's opinion is any worse than comments about shooter games or generally games that are not on wiiu. Calling shooters "generic", "gray" etc is just as ignorant as calling all Ninty games "kiddie". Same with saying that only Ninty innovates or that games that are not on ninty consoles are all about bewbs, sex, violence etc.

I take it some of you haven't experienced games like Beyond, Heavy Rain and the Last of Us. Incredible experiences that have nothing to do with the things that quite a few people mentioned on this thread.

Yet the OP is the only one being moderated? I'm confused. How is all this hatred (and ignorance) for shooters allowed but not the OP's criticism (and maybe ignorance) on ninty games? I know criticism of the mods is not allowed, but I still find it puzzling. Either shit talking games and genres is not allowed for everyone or it's completely allowed. The rules suggest that it should be the former.

Also, I think the OP has a point. Maybe not phrased in the best way possible, but still. Ninty has a family friendly image and in their efforts to maintain it, they seem to be pushing away people who care about their own image and want to buy a "cool" console. Unfortunately for Ninty, the wiiu is not perceived as cool by teenagers or adults in their early 20's, who represent a significant part of the gaming community. I believe that if Ninty does not start evolving some time soon, their presence in gaming will become less and less important with each passing year.

I could be wrong, of course, but the way I see it people's love for their franchises blinds them in terms of the business aspect of gaming.

Take a look at the exclusives announced for PS4 this E3. All are mature, dark over the top violent games with the exception of LBP3. Which was the only game I really liked from them. Although The Order also looks really good, but Bloodborne looks too much like it (gameplay can still be radically different of course)

Don't remember all of them, but I'm sure there were more than one. What about Ratchet and Clank? Or the game that people could download from the store right away? I'm sure there were more. Plus didn't they spend last year showing several funny indie games like Octodad? I wasn't strictly referring to ps4, but what we've seen from ps3 and the great variety of games that it had as a console. The games they showed at e3 are not the only ones coming to ps4. There are several more family oriented games on ps4 that were not even shown. Last year they spent time on Wonderbook and were criticized. This year they seem to have adapted to what the audience wanted to hear about.

Mature games can mean games like Gran Turismo or Forza. No bewbs or violence, just more mature experiences that what NInty has to offer. I believe that had Ninty been able to go with the times and have more variety by making a serious game like Forza, they would have been able to expand their audience. MS managed to do that not just with Halo and Gears, but several other games as well.



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pokoko said:

I dunno.  Last two FPS games I played were Borderlands 2 and BioShock Infinite.  Both were really good.  Are there a lot of clones?  Who cares, really?  Did all the platforming clones when that was the dominant genre make people shy away from Mario?

Regardless, the suggestion that M-rated automatically equates to "grey shooter" is a false argument.  It's especially silly considering how many Nintendo fans are excited for Bayonetta 2, which is also M-rated.

Quite honestly, I don't really care if Nintendo brings more diversity to their home consoles.  I think they could do nicely by remaining niche, though that always makes it hard to maintain your fanbase over long periods of time.  However, if they're ever going to be at the top again, they will have to appeal to more people.  That's just the way it is.

By appeal to more people do you mean like what they did last generation? Because that was the biggest push for expanding the gaming industry to a larger population any company has ever done. 



NintendoPie said:
pokoko said:

I dunno.  Last two FPS games I played were Borderlands 2 and BioShock Infinite.  Both were really good.  Are there a lot of clones?  Who cares, really?  Did all the platforming clones when that was the dominant genre make people shy away from Mario?

Regardless, the suggestion that M-rated automatically equates to "grey shooter" is a false argument.  It's especially silly considering how many Nintendo fans are excited for Bayonetta 2, which is also M-rated.

Quite honestly, I don't really care if Nintendo brings more diversity to their home consoles.  I think they could do nicely by remaining niche, though that always makes it hard to maintain your fanbase over long periods of time.  However, if they're ever going to be at the top again, they will have to appeal to more people.  That's just the way it is.

By appeal to more people do you mean like what they did last generation? Because that was the biggest push for expanding the gaming industry to a larger population any company has ever done. 

Sure, if they can get the casual back, though I don't think they can.  Either way, the Wii U isn't really expanding anything other than Iwata's ulcers.



Lmao this thread is still up?



Sigs are dumb. And so are you!

pokoko said:

Sure, if they can get the casual back, though I don't think they can.  Either way, the Wii U isn't really expanding anything other than Iwata's ulcers.

Good. I thought you were actually thinking making M-rated games was the one way to expand to a larger market. 



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PaypayTR said:

They are too afraid to make game for hardcore gamers all they do recyle kid games mario and more. They even forced platinum to remove nudity from bayonetta sequel and remaster. So anyway they are seeing results of being afraid and no mature all kids games by sales. Gamers slapping nintendo with sales. Wii u is epic colostrual failure. If they do only kid games in future that company will going to history

Edit - Moderated - Starcraft

Wow, there really should be some stricter metrics for being able to post here (or at least to start a thread).  Some of these rants sounds like they were written by an 8 year old... 



IsawYoshi said:
Areym said:
IsawYoshi said:
Yes. That is why they bought Devil's Third.

Congrats on a great thread.

I think he meant a GOOD mature game.

And I think your wrong. Please tell me what part of his post makes you think he talks about a GOOD mature game. 

You know, I was about to show you right where he said it, in vivid detail but I'm not crazy about your attitude. I don't think I want to anymore.



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naruball said:
I don't see how the OP's opinion is any worse than comments about shooter games or generally games that are not on wiiu. Calling shooters "generic", "gray" etc is just as ignorant as calling all Ninty games "kiddie". Same with saying that only Ninty innovates or that games that are not on ninty consoles are all about bewbs, sex, violence etc.

I take it some of you haven't experienced games like Beyond, Heavy Rain and the Last of Us. Incredible experiences that have nothing to do with the things that quite a few people mentioned on this thread.

Yet the OP is the only one being moderated? I'm confused. How is all this hatred (and ignorance) for shooters allowed but not the OP's criticism (and maybe ignorance) on ninty games? I know criticism of the mods is not allowed, but I still find it puzzling. Either shit talking games and genres is not allowed for everyone or it's completely allowed. The rules suggest that it should be the former.

Also, I think the OP has a point. Maybe not phrased in the best way possible, but still. Ninty has a family friendly image and in their efforts to maintain it, they seem to be pushing away people who care about their own image and want to buy a "cool" console. Unfortunately for Ninty, the wiiu is not perceived as cool by teenagers or adults in their early 20's, who represent a significant part of the gaming community. I believe that if Ninty does not start evolving some time soon, their presence in gaming will become less and less important with each passing year.

I could be wrong, of course, but the way I see it people's love for their franchises blinds them in terms of the business aspect of gaming.

This.

 

Why do the nintendo fans get a free pass on trolling but when someone says similar things about nintendo, he is banned instantly. What is this.



You know what, OP could have actually made a decent point had he not written it in such a awful flamebait way. Nintendo does avoid M-rated games more than their competitors in an attempt to keep their wholesome family-friendly image. The only M-rated games I've seen them publish are made by 3rd parties like Eternal Darkness or Devil's Third. Their internal studios avoid those kinds of games like the plague.



Sigs are dumb. And so are you!

Not anymore considering they're making the most mature game.