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BMaker11 said:

Just because I was a step ahead of you doesn't mean that you can double back and say "oh, that's not what I was talking about", because it was clear. It wasn't a tangent, it was a direct reply to sarcasm. Deal with it. I mean, how is "oh, they better pack it up since they missed out on those 732 sales" not sarcasm because that "amount is small"? If someone else hadn't thought it was sarcasm, you probably would have posted a "whoosh" pic or "your sarcasm meter is broken" reply.

And funny you should mention "going to a gun convention" as your comparison, because the poll even said "59% of 360 owners aren't interested". What kind of sample pool do you want to find out what 360 owners opinions are? Soccer moms?! This was a poll about gamers' opinions. So the poll should be by gamer survey (see title: 79% of gamers say they won't buy an Xbox One at $399, not 79% of Americans). "Going to a gun convention" and polling to see what gun owners feel about a new silencer should yield an accurate statistic about what gun owners feel about silencers. Just like TheSting said "ppl arent reading or fully understanding this survey"

Yikes. Of course it was sarcasm that the amount was small. That number was small. Not the sample size. If I were mocking the sample size, I'd have referenced it in my post. Instead of mocking the pool of people themselves, and the coupon website conducting it. I really don't know how much simpler I can make it for you.

The bolded part is the most adorable part of your reply, you're actually agreeing with what I said and my issue with this poll/article title but you are too caught up in your silly tangent to even notice.Not going to bother responding again. Go ahead and have the last word and give yourself a well deserved pat on the back for slaying yourself in this debate I guess ;)



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It certainly seems more attractive without Kinect, at least to me anyway. But i don't think the exclusives will be enough to win me over, they weren't for 360



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LudicrousSpeed said:
BMaker11 said:

Just because I was a step ahead of you doesn't mean that you can double back and say "oh, that's not what I was talking about", because it was clear. It wasn't a tangent, it was a direct reply to sarcasm. Deal with it. I mean, how is "oh, they better pack it up since they missed out on those 732 sales" not sarcasm because that "amount is small"? If someone else hadn't thought it was sarcasm, you probably would have posted a "whoosh" pic or "your sarcasm meter is broken" reply.

And funny you should mention "going to a gun convention" as your comparison, because the poll even said "59% of 360 owners aren't interested". What kind of sample pool do you want to find out what 360 owners opinions are? Soccer moms?! This was a poll about gamers' opinions. So the poll should be by gamer survey (see title: 79% of gamers say they won't buy an Xbox One at $399, not 79% of Americans). "Going to a gun convention" and polling to see what gun owners feel about a new silencer should yield an accurate statistic about what gun owners feel about silencers. Just like TheSting said "ppl arent reading or fully understanding this survey"

Yikes. Of course it was sarcasm that the amount was small. That number was small. Not the sample size. If I were mocking the sample size, I'd have referenced it in my post. Instead of mocking the pool of people themselves, and the coupon website conducting it. I really don't know how much simpler I can make it for you.

The bolded part is the most adorable part of your reply, you're actually agreeing with what I said and my issue with this poll/article title but you are too caught up in your silly tangent to even notice.Not going to bother responding again. Go ahead and have the last word and give yourself a well deserved pat on the back for slaying yourself in this debate I guess ;)

Jesus Christ, you're dense. Your analogy was about going to the gun show, taking a survey, and then extrapolating that number to the general American population. Your beef with it being that it was an audience of gun-lovers, so the results are skewed if you extrapolated it to the American populace. However, you missed the point that this survey was about gamers' opinions, not American (as a whole) opinions. It even uses language like "video game playing readers", "current generation console owners", "Xbox 360 owners", "PS3 users" etc. If the survey took its numbers then said "only 21% of Americans care about the price cut", that would be me agreeing with you about your issue with it. But it doesn't say that and that's not what I agreed with. It says only 21% of gamers care, in a poll surveyed of a pool of gamers. What's so hard to understand about that? You're completely fabricating at worst and misreading at best what the poll is saying. It isn't asking a pool of gamers and taking that result to say "everybody says this", it's taking a pool of gamers and saying "gamers say this". If you don't get that, then there's nothing more that can be done to help you.

And there was no need to be sarcastic about the size being "small". Otherwise, no statistics ever matter because only a "small" amount gets surveyed most of the time, so you could always say "hurr durr, Company X better pack it up. They're missing out on a whole 1000 sales". Looking at it that way completely ignores the purpose of  what a survey is in the first place.

edit: wait, you're J_Allard? No wonder you completely miss points and use words like "adorable" as a means of condescension, while being completely incorrect, yourself (irony). In that case, yes, I will pat myself on the back, while you keep looking silly amongst the rest of the people viewing this thread. 



BMaker11 said:
LudicrousSpeed said:
BMaker11 said:

Just because I was a step ahead of you doesn't mean that you can double back and say "oh, that's not what I was talking about", because it was clear. It wasn't a tangent, it was a direct reply to sarcasm. Deal with it. I mean, how is "oh, they better pack it up since they missed out on those 732 sales" not sarcasm because that "amount is small"? If someone else hadn't thought it was sarcasm, you probably would have posted a "whoosh" pic or "your sarcasm meter is broken" reply.

And funny you should mention "going to a gun convention" as your comparison, because the poll even said "59% of 360 owners aren't interested". What kind of sample pool do you want to find out what 360 owners opinions are? Soccer moms?! This was a poll about gamers' opinions. So the poll should be by gamer survey (see title: 79% of gamers say they won't buy an Xbox One at $399, not 79% of Americans). "Going to a gun convention" and polling to see what gun owners feel about a new silencer should yield an accurate statistic about what gun owners feel about silencers. Just like TheSting said "ppl arent reading or fully understanding this survey"

Yikes. Of course it was sarcasm that the amount was small. That number was small. Not the sample size. If I were mocking the sample size, I'd have referenced it in my post. Instead of mocking the pool of people themselves, and the coupon website conducting it. I really don't know how much simpler I can make it for you.

The bolded part is the most adorable part of your reply, you're actually agreeing with what I said and my issue with this poll/article title but you are too caught up in your silly tangent to even notice.Not going to bother responding again. Go ahead and have the last word and give yourself a well deserved pat on the back for slaying yourself in this debate I guess ;)

Jesus Christ, you're dense. Your analogy was about going to the gun show, taking a survey, and then extrapolating that number to the general American population. Your beef with it being that it was an audience of gun-lovers, so the results are skewed if you extrapolated it to the American populace. However, you missed the point that this survey was about gamers' opinions. If the survey took its numbers then said "only 21% of Americans care about the price cut", that would be me agreeing with you about your issue with it. But it doesn't say that and that's not what I agreed with. It says only 21% of gamers care, in a poll surveyed of a pool of gamers. What's so hard to understand about that? You're completely fabricating at worst and misreading at best what the poll is saying. It isn't asking a pool of gamers and taking that result to say "everybody says this", it's taking a pool of gamers and saying "gamers say this". If you don't get that, then there's nothing more that can be done to help you.

And there was no need to be sarcastic about the size being "small". Otherwise, no statistics ever matter because only a "small" amount gets surveyed most of the time, so you could always say "hurr durr, Company X better pack it up. They're missing out on a whole 1000 sales". Looking at it that way completely ignores the purpose of  what a survey is in the first place.

edit: wait, you're J_Allard? No wonder you completely miss points and use words like "adorable" as a means of condescension, while being completely incorrect, yourself (irony). In that case, yes, I will pat myself on the back, while you keep looking silly amongst the rest of the people viewing this thread. 

Good job. You got the last word.



This survey is ridiculous and I almost consider this as trolling... The way the guy is posting is clearly showing how much he is biased too. Funny anyway.

Also out of those how many of those "gamers" already had a PS4/Xbox One by the way :)



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Imaginedvl said:

Good job. You got the last word.

I mean, obviously, he doesn't get it. But can you not see the difference between taking a poll of gamers and have your results say "gamers said this"; and taking a poll of gamers and saying "a larger and more diverse demographic said this"?

He did the latter with his gun show analogy (95% of gun owners want open carry, so 95% of Americans want open carry), this survey did the former (only 21% of gamers are interested in the Xbox One at $399.....so 21% of gamers are interested in the Xbox One at $399)

And btw, the survey wasn't "ridiculous". It did more than ask about interest in the Xbox One. The Cinemablend article was unprofessional, yes, but the survey itself seems sound. I don't think people are calling it "ridiculous" that "only 12% of gamers use consoles strictly for gaming. PS3 users are more likely to use Blu ray and 360 owners are more likely to stream video" or "83% say they've downloaded games through their console"....but when it gets to that one question about interest in the Xbox One at $399...it becomes ridiculous?



BMaker11 said:
Imaginedvl said:

Good job. You got the last word.

I mean, obviously, he doesn't get it. But can you not see the difference between taking a poll of gamers and have your results say "gamers said this"; and taking a poll of gamers and saying "a larger and more diverse demographic said this"?

He did the latter with his gun show analogy (95% of gun owners want open carry, so 95% of Americans want open carry), this survey did the former (only 21% of gamers are interested in the Xbox One at $399.....so 21% of gamers are interested in the Xbox One at $399)

And btw, the survey wasn't "ridiculous". It did more than ask about interest in the Xbox One. The Cinemablend article was unprofessional, yes, but the survey itself seems sound. I don't think people are calling it "ridiculous" that "only 12% of gamers use consoles strictly for gaming. PS3 users are more likely to use Blu ray and 360 owners are more likely to stream video" or "83% say they've downloaded games through their console"....but when it gets to that one question about interest in the Xbox One at $399...it becomes ridiculous?

The survey is ridiculous because they did not even took the time to check if those "gamers" already had an Xbox One / PS4. It is a random survey without any proper preparation or a good and validated sample of "gamers". Also the other thing is that maybe only 40% (I'm making up numbers) of those "gamers" are interrested in the next gen console... In that case the poll results are completly different. See how easy it is to interpret the numbers very differently depending on the context of those "gamers"...

So by ridiculous I mean, ridiculous and almost random.



Lol and 60% of those 79% were trolls.



Bmaker and ludicrous speed, you both need to cut the crap before i knock your skulls together.

(now, at last, i understand how Moe felt).



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sabastian said:
Those stats are horrid. But as someone else pointed out, it was with less that 1000 gamers surveyed, so yeh.


Off topic but if that's your game collection in your signature, great taste!

 

As for the article, I'm getting tired of people putting down the Xbox One and even the Wii U, both have a long way to go before we can call them failures. The Wii U proved last week that once games that matter come, people will buy it. And I feel like once the Xbox One gets, Sunset Overdrive, Quantum Break and Halo 5, people will be more inclined to jump on board.

As a gamer, I want to see all of the big three succeed, I don't understand why certain people only want Sony to be on top, or only Nintendo, why wouldn't you want everyone to have similar numbers? Everyone wins like that.