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NiKKoM on 07 May 2015

Insane money for Depay.. While he's good, he's never had Champions League level experience besides some World Cup matches.. The last half of the season he wasn't that good at PSV.. Will be interesting to see him at united cause i think he's a player who needs space like Bale to get the best out of him



 

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outlawauron on 07 May 2015
NiKKoM said:
Insane money for Depay.. While he's good, he's never had Champions League level experience besides some World Cup matches.. The last half of the season he wasn't that good at PSV.. Will be interesting to see him at united cause i think he's a player who needs space like Bale to get the best out of him

MUFC will likely loan Januzaj and sell Di Maria if they can get takers. I think he fits what Louie wants to do. Also, Liverpool reportedly offered more money for Depay, so I don't think you can claim overpaying for him.



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Goatseye on 07 May 2015

A good offensive player needs a stable team behind him so he can sprout confidently. But now we're talking MU and LFC...



Goatseye on 07 May 2015
Ka-pi96 said:
Goatseye said:
A good offensive player needs a stable team behind him so he can sprout confidently. But now we're talking MU and LFC...

Not necessarily. Some of the greatest teams in history have been lacking in defence but more than made up for it with their attacking players.

I can't recall such a team.



Goatseye on 07 May 2015

Hold on! You guys think that Barcelona of Pep at their highest had a bad defense?
With Puyol killing it, Pique less erratic, Dani Alves the best RB with Maycon at the time and a solid LB on Abidal a suspect defense?
Additionally, with a Swiss clock as a Defensive Midfielder, no one in their serious state of sanity can call Barcas defensive ability dubious at the time.



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Goatseye on 07 May 2015
Hiku said:
Goatseye said:
Ka-pi96 said:
Goatseye said:
A good offensive player needs a stable team behind him so he can sprout confidently. But now we're talking MU and LFC...

Not necessarily. Some of the greatest teams in history have been lacking in defence but more than made up for it with their attacking players.

I can't recall such a team.



2010-11 would have been ok if Puyol hadn't been injured all the time.

Toure was a monster defensive midefielder on that team, that already had a good back four.



Goatseye on 07 May 2015

Brazil last world cup (2002):
DF Cafu
DF Lúcio
DF Roque Júnior
DF Roberto Carlos



Goatseye on 07 May 2015
Ka-pi96 said:
Goatseye said:
Hold on! You guys think that Barcelona of Pep at their highest had a bad defense?
With Puyol killing it, Pique less erratic, Dani Alves the best RB with Maycon at the time and a solid LB on Abidal a suspect defense?
Additionally, with a Swiss clock as a Defensive Midfielder, no one in their serious state of sanity can call Barcas defensive ability dubious at the time.

Yep, Barcelona definitely had a suspect defense at the time. For one thing Dani Alves was far from a good defender, he was a really good player but more because of his contributions to the offence than the defence. More of a winger than a right back.

It worked for the system they had in place. Who was hindering them at times, was Abidal who didn't give them the same offensive depth as D.Alves on the left side.

Hence, Barca got a similar player for the left side: J.Alba



Goatseye on 07 May 2015
Ka-pi96 said:
Goatseye said:
Brazil last world cup (2002):
DF Cafu
DF Lúcio
DF Roque Júnior
DF Roberto Carlos

Hence why I said Brazil at their best

The modern defensive Brazil are boring and just not that good anymore. Thankfully they were absolutely destroyed by Germany so hopefully they will see the error of their ways and return to the Brazil of old.

Brazil of old is the same as Brazil of today. They put little emphasis on defensive tactics.

They need to get with times or hire an European coach. Their coaches suck.

Germany beat them because their coaches couldn't, for their lives, get a cohesive defensive unit for ages.

Germany only impressed in that game. Up until that moment, it never revealed itself as a steam rolling machine.



NiKKoM on 07 May 2015
outlawauron said:

. Also, Liverpool reportedly offered more money for Depay, so I don't think you can claim overpaying for him.

LOL... Liverpool... aren't they the one that paid £35 million for Andy Carrol? xD

Anyway:





 

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