| celador said: Mobiles are lightyears behind consoles and PCs, and will not have caught up to X1 and PS4 by the time they are replaced. If they are the future I need to consider finding a new hobby |
Couldn't agree more...gaming would die for me

| celador said: Mobiles are lightyears behind consoles and PCs, and will not have caught up to X1 and PS4 by the time they are replaced. If they are the future I need to consider finding a new hobby |
Couldn't agree more...gaming would die for me

I do wonder if my mobile which is only 2 years old can even handle some of the modern more graphical heavy mobile games, should I upgrade every year to keep up with gaming? I doubt it, don't even play games on my mobile, I use it as a phone.
Hmm, pie.
I hope not... I love my s4 but I dont play games on it that often
PC Specs: CPU: 7800X3D || GPU: Strix 4090 || RAM: 32GB DDR5 6000 || Main SSD: WD 2TB SN850
PC's are better than mobile in every way except initial price point, but without contracts they win in price to power ratio for sure. Building a PC with tech today will probably last you till for the next 8 years if not 10+, because new innovations are coming out.
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Mobile? A gaming device? Sure, if you like cards-based combat and point & click. Oh, and let's not forget everyone's favorite: In-App Purchases. The flaws of mobile gaming are endless and exponential!
I don't respect or acknowledge your opinion, primarily cause you obviously put little to no thought into it. But I respect that you are allowed to have an opinion though.
And no, mobile games don't have anything on consoles. Just picture the size of a mobile soc. The cpu, gpu, comms and a couple other stuff needs to fit on that chip. Then picture the fact that that chip in its entirety is less than 1/8th the overall surface area of a console APU. Now picture that in said console apu you only have a cpu and gpu, and can run at frequencies higher than any mobile soc can dare running at. And this is all just looking at this loosely.
So yh, its physically impossible to make a mobile soc more powerful than a dedicated gaming APU.
| kirby007 said: However the future of gaming is with Mobiles which will push graphics to the highest limits. No old medium, they offer the highest technology. Internet browsing and more importantly instant access to thousands upon thousands of games. and much cheaper to replace. |
A mobile device is limited to use 10W (smartphone) to around 15W (tablets). A console uses 200W and a PC can use easily 500W. The only way a device can outperform a another one that is more power hungry is with a more advanced tech. PCs use current tech, as PS4 and X1 do (you can easily note that PS360 are 10 to 15X weaker than the new consoles with more than half of the power consumption).
Using Moore's Law, you double the performance after 18 months (for CPU, memory is another history). So phones will be 16X more powerful in 6 years and will be 32X faster in 7.5 years, probably getting close to PS4 and X1, but only when their sucessors are already out. It's pure physics, pure math. That's the problem. Mobiles won't push graphics to the limit because they have restrict power demands. It's not possible. Right now, desktop and console GPUs uses the more current architecture, while mobile is several generations late (next Tegra promisses to change that, but NVidia underdelivered every single Tegra after Tegra 2, so let's wait). I made this calculations considering the same architecture for both, wich isn't the case right now and that only makes the gap larger. Phones don't offer the highest tech, they offer old GPU tech several gens behind to be more power efficient and a low power consumption, lower performance CPU tech coupled with low bandwidth memory and slow flash storage. Efficient, but not fast.
About price, why is it cheaper? Mobile phones aren't cheaper. A high end device (you want to push graphics to the limits) it's more expensive than a console that has a 5-7 years life. A phone has 2 or 3 years. Phones compete with handhelds (and even in this case, not exactly like that), not home consoles since one is used on the go and the other is connected to a 40-inch screen.
| Intrinsic said: I don't respect or acknowledge your opinion, primarily cause you obviously put little to no thought into it. But I respect that you are allowed to have an opinion though. And no, mobile games don't have anything on consoles. Just picture the size of a mobile soc. The cpu, gpu, comms and a couple other stuff needs to fit on that chip. Then picture the fact that that chip in its entirety is less than 1/8th the overall surface area of a console APU. Now picture that in said console apu you only have a cpu and gpu, and can run at frequencies higher than any mobile soc can dare running at. And this is all just looking at this loosely. So yh, its physically impossible to make a mobile soc more powerful than a dedicated gaming APU. |
Oh, yes, I talked about power consumption but forgot this part, good point. The mobile SoC is much smaller and still have to contain memory, mobile modem and several co-processors.