No need to apologise.  Spirited discussion is always fun.

thursday

Thank you for proving my point.

This thread uses unoficial numbers from suposed "insiders". People that have access to those numbers can´t tell the figures unless they are disclaimed by the companies. Go ahead, ask any game jornalist in the twitter. I asked, they don´t know, and in fact, they don´t care unless it a major event like January (not February, sry) 2 to 1. And we only know the final numbers because Microsoft disclaimed them at that time.

And unless Sony started to play the humble winner I can´t understand why in the last two months they didn´t say the outsold the competition by more than twice COMBINED, if we belive those Neogaf insiders.

Remember that Thuway used to be one of those trusted insiders.

Gonna be fun. Even if VGchartz doesn't deny PS4 won in US in June from what I have read here.

Lol. Numbers show their console losing. Course of action: deny numbers, attempt to discredit source.

Gold, I tells ye, gold.

yup vgc has the ps4 winning june,  and pachter predicting a pretty decent margin.  i think that puts it at aroudn 700k lead

Do you know what time exactly ? Since I live in France I will probably have the numbers during the night.

i think its around 6 eastern but could be a bit late or early

Thank you very much.

Oh dear lord. Look up 'Numbers Waifu' ;)

NPD has direct leakers to GAF. The numbers are real, and widely known. Because they are so widely known, IF Microsoft had proof that they were incorrect, they would have done their normal PR statement regarding the NPD results. You can even translate what they have to say :

"Xbox One is the #1 Selling Console" > self explanatory

"Xbox family sold the most consoles this month" > means that PS4 beat XB1, but XB1+360 sold more than PS4+PS3

"Xbox sold the most software this month" means that XB consoles didn't do well enough to talk about, but they focus on what's postive

"no statement" > means that it was a disaster

LOGIC sir. If they have good news, lord knows MS is not shy about shouting it from the rooftops month after month. They admirably kept going even when the XB1 was losing, though they got awfully creative with their wording. Now that the defeats are getting more and more consistent and dire, they've begun to clam up.

Their silence speaks volumes. If they had something good to say, THEY WOULD SAY IT.

Even Pachter, who long held to the belief that XB1 was constantly around the corner from retaking the US, has basically admitted that XB1 is going to lose big even in price cut month.

And I can't stress it enough, denying NPD results makes you look unhinged. They have been confirmed by ACTUAL REAL PEOPLE IN THE KNOW AND IF THE NUMBERS GIVEN WERE FALSE MICROSOFT WOULD HAPPILY CORRECT/DENY.