I mean both Halo games you mention.  Whether or not the quality of the game is what it was with Bungie is a personal opinion, but the fact is the game's name moves consoles.  Do I think it will be enough to catch the PS4 at any point, even in the US?  Probably not.  Doesn't mean it won't be enough for the system to remain relevant.  Also, current IP is one thing while new IP is another entirely.  Looking back on the last generation the majority of games that give the PS3 its "great exclusives" claim didn't exist prior to (Uncharted, Infamous, Last of Us, Demon's Souls, Little Big Planet, etc) gen 7.  XBox could experience the same turnaround if they devote some time and resource to making it happen.  It's gonna be a long gen, should be fun to see what unfolds.

I mean both Halo games you mention.  Whether or not the quality of the game is what it was with Bungie is a personal opinion, but the fact is the game's name moves consoles.  Do I think it will be enough to catch the PS4 at any point, even in the US?  Probably not.  Doesn't mean it won't be enough for the system to remain relevant.  Also, current IP is one thing while new IP is another entirely.  Looking back on the last generation the majority of games that give the PS3 its "great exclusives" claim didn't exist prior to (Uncharted, Infamous, Last of Us, Demon's Souls, Little Big Planet, etc) gen 7.  XBox could experience the same turnaround if they devote some time and resource to making it happen.  It's gonna be a long gen, should be fun to see what unfolds.

This is why you're dead wrong, we have the numbers. Were you even checking the NPD threads?

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/thread.php?id=183162

The numbers are not from Sony but from people who have them so I won't be surprised if they're not worth anything to you (tho they are...)

EDIT: I can't find the May thread

Are you saying that only thouse games where system sellers for the ps3? So you dont remember god of war, rachet nd clank, devil my cry, final fantasy, and many more that came fromthe ps2. 

But anyways that might be true that MS can come up with new ips to change things along but keep in mind that sonys and nintendos first party studios have been there for decades. They keep expanading the IPs they already have while making new ips and getting newer studios to make new ips. MS has had the same studios since the original xbox with the same big 4 IPs that you cannot separate from the xbox. I know gears came on the 360 first but that was the only new big hit from MS studios. Now they cannot count on third party exclusivitys since ps4 is killing the x1 in sales. So what im trying to say is that its true that ms can come up with a lot of new ips and new sstudios wich is great, but sony and nintendo already have a great pool of talent making old ips and new one while alwas trying to create new studios or adquire them, so its going to be toughf for MS to shine in the shadow of the other 2 well stablished and massive amounts of talent. 

NPD certainly existed up until lately, when Major Nelson would rush to his blog to announce 30th or so victorious month in a row. 

I am sure that then NPD was not just some random unreliable source that polls only select retailers. 

But I guess their reliability went down the drain, because Major Nelson is not that quick on a twitter trigger any more. If I'm not mistaken, they didn't even comment May numbers at all.

No I was using those games as the example that you can't count solely on established IP to sell your system.  This is something that I feel the 360 has done in the past few years.  MS seemed content to rely on CoD and Madden and other annual third party games to give it the sales it experienced.  That makes the mountain MS has to climb to get back into the game that much steeper.  I don't think they will do it, but it is not outside the realm of possiblity.

The real denial is not looking at the facts! This site shows xbox one outselling ps4 in america for the past couple of weeks, and if you look at the past consoles its a landslide for the 360 with 43mil compared to 26 mil of ps3. Early adopters of the new systems may have been in favor of ps4 but it will slowly change as launch hype dies down. Ps4 is losing in japan to wii u for weeks now to but Im sure many are in denial of that too. Europe is going to be ps4 territory but I think Japan will go to Wii u and I have no doubt that xbox will control America!!!