Kinectless XBO goes n sale June 9th. That gives it at least three weeks on the market for the month of june. I am not sure of PS4 winning in june cause there is always a jump in sales when there is a price drop. The months following yes, PS4 would most likely win. Then again I could be wrong, stranger things have happened... just look at march. Unless sony has something to counter the XBO price drop in june. However, if MS still loses in june even with a price drop? then things will be really really bad.

Another thing to consider, is that MS announcing that price drop so early will most likely cannibalize the sales of may, so in june you aren't just getting the people that would wanted a price drop, you are also getting the people that decided to skip may and wait till june.

The question which we don't know the answer to, is are people waiting in line for that price/feature cut... when you could a week or two ago get the machine for less than RRP with a game and kinect and only just above what its going to sell for in June. It's interesting and I was wrong on Titanfall (I thought they would outsell PS4 that month)... but May is definately Sony's. June, I think that rests with E3 potential and if TLOU comes out that month... but I think at the moment Ps4 is edging it... i dont think this will have a big enough impact to overtake Sony.

"Using Netflix and IE without paying for XBL"... Well... I mean... I guess the PS4 couldn't already do that or anything *sarcasm*, but that's totally going to push more XBone units... -_-

Price cut doesn't seem to have helped, considering the not-so-good preorders that have been coming in. Sure it'll help, but not for long. The simple fact of the matter is, it's still the same exact, just minus the camera. When you actually think about it, the fact that Kinect has been removed is actually a bad thing, particularly for MS. Kinect was another one of those things at E3 last year that MS claimed was crucial. Really, this is yet another 180 for them, or another thing that they blatantly lied to their fans about. You take that into consideration, who knows what else they've lied to people about with the console. How do we know they're not lying about the Cloud? How about all these games they supposedly have planed? How can we trust their word at this point? They've pretty much ruined all the XBone's credibility, as well as their own, when this one sugar coated announcement.

PS4 is still going to end up being the better deal, especially after E3. It's still more powerful, and will most likely have a far better future in the exclusive games department. Third party superiority is already a guarantee for the system at this point.

I can see the 2 consoles remaining neck and neck in the US, but the XBone will never even come remotely close to dominating the US in the way that the 360 did. Not a chance.

Besides, aren't fans putting a bit too much emphasis on Halo 5, considering it probably won't see release until mid-late 2015 at the earliest. Hell, I could start throwing UC4 around, but it's so long off and there's so many other games between now and it's release that I won't even bother. I have a feeling people aren't just going to run out of their homes in droves to buy a console for a game that won't be out for well over a year. The real question is, does the XBone have any other AAA exclusives besides SO (and maybe, MAYBE, QB)? We already know Gears can't possibly see the light of day until 2016 at the earliest (unless people are desperate enough to accept a half assed PoS). So, what else is there to really push the console in the US?

I see your point and I agree. On one end you have  the XBO+kinect+game for $450 or XBO alone for $400. When you look at it that way it makes it hard to accept that ppl are waiting in line for a $400 XBO, especially when the $450 option is much much better value. 

Either way, if MS does not win June, then I think we can all agree that MS is in a lot more trouble than it may appear. Whats really funny about all this analysis, is that either way MS is losing. Cause we are having all these talks as if the only market is NA lol. Sony ended up winning the 7th gen on the back of europe alone, and by all indictions they still have that european support on lock. If in 5 years its a tie in NA, then that would mean that PS4 would potentially have a 20ml console lead over XBO reagradless from europe + japan + ROW.

The absolute worst case scenario is to look at what the xbox brands biggest EXCLUSIVE sellers usually are cause those are the main determinants of a consoles projected install base. Multiplatform games will always sell better on the console that for any reason has the largest innitial install base, is the chepest, runs them the best, has the most momentum or any combination of those factors. An Its safe to say that this gen that consoles seems to be the PS4 (so far). What this means is that the people that are guranteed to buy XBO are people that want its exclusives. Going by that, then chances are that it could be a ridiculous possibility that the XBO will not sell more than 40ml consoles in its generation. And thats bei8ng generous.

Yes totally agree with you on that.

At the moment PS3/Xbox360 is something like a 15 million gap. Even if the PS4/XBO sell the same in the USA, that's 15 million sales lost. But they have an even bigger problem in Europe, their US Centric message has not done it any favours, and they could lose out to Europe even more this gen.

It is fascinating to see how this pans out. Sony recovered, MS still have lots of time, but they need to get some major exclusives in place if they are going to turn the tide.

E3 is going to be fascinating from a business point of view and the key in this years battle... it could mean a significant gap growing or MS pulling back... in fact this day will be so vital i will probably take the day off so i can watch it all :)

When I see this topic, I miss http://www.sonydefenseforce.com/ :(

This is not a defence of Xbox/Microsoft, just an objective analysis of sales.

i love you.

you are quickly becoming one of my favorite users on this site. 

If it was truly objective then why do you ignore all objective and accurate variables that disprove your numbers, math, and theory? Your entire theory is based on inaccurate and over tracked sales of the Xb1 that were disproven by NPD. The NPD numbers were then confirmed as accurate by an Xbox insider. VGC will go back and adjust those numbers if they havn't already as they always do. The real numbers arn't even close. Your theory is irrational and your defence of it can only be described as completely detached from reality...

Not to mention the fact that your entire theory and point became invalid the moment you claimed NPD which in turn is VGC is inaccurate and can't be trusted. That alone means that not even you believe your theory since its source, according to you can't be trusted.

If a 399$ bundle which included both a Kinect and Titanfall didnt manage to outsell PS4 in march, what makes you think this price cut without a game or kinect will?