theprof00 said:
sc94597 said:
theprof00 said:
That just seems really unfair. As someone who comes from poverty, this makes me feel powerless against people who have everything already
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I don't know why. Personally, self ownership and liberty make me feel more powerful. To say that nobody owns me and nobody except I can use and choose my own path, well that is quite nice, in my opinion. And seeing as I've come from the bottom of poverty (was homeless for 6 months during my childhood) that doesn't change a thing. If anything, legally binding contracts that are not rooted in property rights help the rich and hurt the poor (i.e concessions on labor rights, price-fixing, monopolies, etc, etc.)
I really don't see why you should be able to legally-bind promises. If that were the standard way of doing things, people would be able to sue for entitlements that they don't deserve (if I promise to get my brother a car, and decide not to, he can sue me - for example.) Contracts are entirely rooted in property rights (as are all rights.)
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but that's a promise, not a contract.
The way I look at it, I could work my whole life building up a business and in an instant have it destroyed by some company who simply decides they don't care about fulfilling their obligations.
I don't understand your criticism either. How is it that we have both enforceable contracts and at-will employment? The way you talk it sounds like the two shouldn't co-exist.
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Isn't your version of a contract a legally binding promise? If that were the case, then all promises can be perceived as oral contracts. What distinguishes a contract (in your view) from a promise?
Why would you give somebody (or bodies) that much power over your business in the first place? Any good business doesn't depend on a single trade partner so much that it would be devastated by a separation from that trade partner. If your business fails because of something like that then it fits well with the nature of the competitive market, we need both profit and losses for the system to work, and smart decisions should be profitable and poor decisions unprofitable. Just because you're a small guy or poor doesn't mean you should get special priveleges, just the same priveleges. Same is true for big companies, there should be no such thing as "too big to fail."
The reason why we have contracts and people can terminate their employment is because labor contracts are precisely recognized for what they are, promises, and they are unenforceable. A worker is recognized to have a right to quit, regardless of what his/her contract was, just like an employer is recognized to have the right to fire. This has not always been the case though. Indentured servitude was a real thing. Contracts can get in the way of wage bargaining though. For example, if there is a stipulation in the contract, a company can refuse to pay the employee the accepted rate (and this is entirely "contractual.") That is theft of the other participant's labor. Another example of a bogus contract that hurts consumers is the termination fee one pays the phone or cable company. One should be able to secede from any agreement upon one's choice and not be extorted.
Also, you seem confused. I never argued that the existance of enforceable contracts contradicts at-will employment. I argued that contracts which codify a promise are not enforceable. Only contracts grounded in property rights are enforceable.