starcraft said:
JoeTheBro said:
I don't agree with that being a sound business strategy when you're in a competitive market, but I do agree that it wouldn't be desperation.
That's not what happened though. You're fixating on the sticker price, but everyone on the opposite side of the coin is looking at the bigger picture. A Titanfall+XBONE bundle at $450 is not equal to a Titanfall+XBONE+GOLD bundle at $450. In the first case the XBONE is essentially $390 and in the second case it's essentially only $330. These are the prices that matter.
In the XBONE's largest and most important market we've seen the system's perceived cost drop $110 since the last perceived price cut, and that was only 26 days ago. This is extremely desperate.
Could just be since you're from Australia. Earlier today Conegamer accidentally mis-corrected a user for saying "the proof is in the pudding," since over in the UK the phrase is apparently "the proof of the pudding is in the eating." Desperation may mean a different thing to me then it does to you. Going off dictionary.com instead of wiki,
1.
reckless or dangerous because of despair or urgency: a desperate killer.
2.
having an urgent need, desire, etc.: desperate for attention.
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By what metric do you believe a sticker price of $330 could possibly be applicable? Consumers have to shell out $450? Microsoft certainly doesn't loose $120 work of per-unit cost? To ensure I am not misinterpreting, do you honestly believe that an average consumer can look at this bundle and (to use your words) see a product that is 'essentially' $330? Surely not.
Yes I believe the average consumer can look at this bundle and see the XBONE's essentially $330. When Titanfall and a year of GOLD are not perceived as the items receiving a price reduction, the reduction must be happening to the XBONE. It can have advantages over just reducing the XBONE's standalone price, but they're certainly comparable from a business point of view.
You're trying to have your cake and eat it too. You don't want to be that poster that said Microsoft is acting desperately, but you want to do everything you can to leave other poster's with that impression.
I was just here to debate the actions of a company, but I guess we can go off on this tangent.
I think you have a severely twisted understanding of why I'm here. The reason I didn't enter the thread with a "haha omg M$ is so desperate" comment is because that would get a reaction out of the Microsoft fanbase. As I said when we first started this discussion, "Desperate can come across much harsher than it needs to be." True or not there are right ways and wrong ways to say things. My desire is not to partake in the console warz, so being "that poster that said Microsoft is acting desperately" would be the wrong way.
My desire is also not to leave other poster's with the impression Microsoft is acting desperately. My only post in the thread outside of this debate was about the diminishing returns of these deals happening every week. http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=6208913 Within this debate my only desire is to reach an agreement with just you. Either I'd get you to change your opinion on the matter or you'd get me to change my opinion.
To clarify, you have argued that the Xbox One has received three price drops (in 26 days), and that the price for consumers is now 'perceived' to be 'essentially' $330. If you wish to stand by the assertion that a sticker price of $450 with these included deals is the equivalent of a sticker price of $330 without them, then we're going to have to agree to disagree, because this is going nowhere.
There are differences in the grand scheme of things, but they're very comparable. I think it's kinda silly that you'd just throw an ultimatum up like that, but I guess that ends that conversation.
I have no issue using dictionary.com instead of wiki. Point two could, of course, apply to any included bundle from any manufacturer using the logic you're applying. For example, my PS4 would have been the victim of a 'desperate' price drop, as it was picked it for $AU499, which, given it included Infamous Second Son, was an astounding $AU80 price drop just 5 months after launch.
No. Point 2 has the key word urgent. Dropping the price over and over during such a short span is what makes this move desperate. Most price cuts are not desperate.
It is useful to apply one's logic to a range of similar scenarios, using different stakeholders, to see whether it stands - in this case asking whether you'd reasonably apply the same logic to Sony or Nintendo's bundles.
You're calling me anti-Microsoft here ;)
I'm biased and of course have my preferences, but I'm not the console warrior you seem to think I am. Of course I'd apply the same logic to Sony and Nintendo.
Or, as you might put it, the proof of the pudding is in the eating. 
That saying doesn't even work here lol.
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