You do see less blur. Of course, you also see virtually none of the artifacts or vertical lines you see in the retail release when the game cannot accurately "predict" the next screen. So they either did not have the reprojection working fully for that video or they did massive changes for the retail release. GG themselves have said the lines and blur are caused by the game not being able to predict where certain things will be correctly. I hope that has helped clear that up for you, as for the rest...

My point was: how important can full native 1080p60 graphics really be when the people most vocally championing it here, could not even tell they were playing a game that was neither of those? You can qualify how close the game came to achieving them or point to this or that footage from before the game came out, or make excuses all you want, it was just a simple question. If you can answer the underlined, please do. If not, feel free to respond but I won't reply.

Actually I probably won't either way, it seems the OP is more about how advanced televisions are compared to the graphics we get. Which I agree. The games are still great, but 1080p has been around in the PC world for well over a decade. Seems silly that console technology is truly that far behind the curve.

Here's how I lived through 720p. If it was 1080p, it was fine and I'd play through it. But if it was 720p, I'd play blindfolded and have some non 1080p loving peasant tell me what's going on on the screen. 720p disgusted me so I didn't want to look at it. Now that games are in 1080p again, I can actually see what I'm doing. Too bad Yakuza 3 didn't come out on the PS4, platinuming the game would have been a lot easier if I wasn't blindfolded.

Oh... I guess I really misread your OP then and need to apologize. I guess I prematurely considered this to be one of those countless "720p is enough, there's hardly any visual difference between 720p and 1080p" threads. Which I agree to, but consider the endless discussions about it to be pointless and annoying, because they're ignoring the actual problem.

I don't quite understand though why you claim both 720p and 1080p to be "crap", yet (as I remember) started this thread by pointing out how much worse it was just a few years or decades ago. If you consider 1080p to be "crap", you must consider N64, SNES or even NES graphics to be downright disgusting.

I already considered the image quality of my N64 crap during its era. Most particularly the PAL version which, I think, already kinda scaled the image into PAL format. Add to that the analog AV output... In the end I only played on my Jap N64 using the best available cable at times: SVHS.

The same image quality crap for my beloved PAL gamecube. But this time the RGB pal signal was better, but the image was still badly scaled internally notably in some games (compared to the more sharp NTSC signal) so the image was always muddy compared to the almost perfect PS2 image. Xbox was also very badly scaled and muddy (still comparing to PS2, comparing with MGS2 available on both consoles).

It wasn't a problem of resolution, but similar, really. People at 720p/900p on XB1 complain the image is muddy compared to the PS4 games at native 1080p. When the image is scaled (internally by PAL N64/Gamecube), or upscaled by XB1 or your TV, you can see the difference compared to a native/sharper image.

Until 14nm and midrange GPUs are capable of 4K with good visual detail (2017-2018), there won't be the possibility of a beyond-1080p console. I have no doubts that the next-gen consoles WILL be 4K ready though.

720p vs. 1080p is ~1 million pixels, or 2 to 1 in detail. I have a gaming HTPC hooked up to a 60" Plasma 1080p set. At ~8' back, I can tell an absolutely immense difference between 1280x720 and 1920x1080 in last-gen games like Deus Ex : HR and Skyrim. Maybe some people have bad vision, but I don't think so. I run the PC at 1280x720 for an old remote app I have to use from time to time to support some obscure oil & gas equipment (it just doesn't look right at 1080). I left it at 720 one time, GF fired up Skyrim and immediately wanted to know if there was something wrong with the computer.

The problem that XB1 faces is that large TVs are getting cheap, and people dropping $400-$500 on a next-gen console are very likely to have a 50"+ 1080p display. It's just a fact that 1080 looks better than 720 all other things being equal.

If you have a garbage 1366x768 TV that they sell as 'HD', then it makes no difference whatsoever. And to be fair, there are a fair number of those out there sold over the past 6-7 years. They will be dying off and handed down constantly though. When you can get a decent LED 50" 1080p display for $499 at WalMart, it's hard to justify 720p existing.

XB1's big problem is that the GPU/memory speed gap lines up perfectly with the ability to run a game with as good a visuals as the XB1 can manage at 720p, and that same game with the same visuals will look better at PS4 at 900p or 1080p. CPU-limited games will be less noticeable, as the PS4 and XB1 both are saddled with fairly weak CPUs. GPU-limited games will simply look better on PS4, end of story. The better the display, the easier it is to tell.

Denial does nobody any good. BF4 and Ghosts both look dramatically better on PS4. Watch Dogs, Destiny, GTAV-HD, etc, it's going to be the same thing over_and_over_and_over.

DX12 is laughable as well, as the big gains are bringing draw calls to a lower level, skipping the CPU bottleneck that happens with the PC DX11 and older APIs. The problem is that the XB1 out of the box already had low-level draw calls enabled. DX12 will help PC, and help ports, but will not give the XB1 even a 5% GPU improvement in efficiency (and that's being exceptionally generous).

Bring on 4K @ 120hz. I love being able to play at 2560x1440 @ 120hz on PC, but am okay with 1080p on the living room TV for some games.

Does that mean we should go back to inferior resolution just because we used to be fine?

Theres a thing called progress....

Goes back to fapping after years of sex. It was good enough then and dammit, it's good enough now.

I'm actually quite content with it. 1080 is better of course, but for now, I have not been blown away by anything that renders 720 obsolete. That will change in time, however.

720P (HD) and 1080P (Full HD) *are* crap.
It's the kind of resolution you should expect out of a 5-10" mobile device or tablet, not a 60" panel, it's 2014, not sometime last century. :P

Once you go QHD (4x 720P) then you never look back, the PC has had those panels for YEARS.

Here is the kicker.
Depending on Panel Size, Resolution and Viewing distance, there is actually NO discernable difference to the human eye after a certain point.

Thus by extension people who are playing an entire room away on a 27" 1080P panel would see zero difference between 720P and 1080P.


As for Direct X 12, you nor anyone else literally has no idea what is happening on that front as not enough information has been made available other than some high level and pretty sparse stuff, so don't pretend you know what is happening on that front just yet.