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Temporal reprojection is a very similar technique that most modern video compression (H264/265) uses to reduce filesize. The reason that such a square resolution is used for each temporal frame (in this case 960 by 1080p) is because in most games the majority of the motion is horizontal with the player panning left and right much more than they pan up and down. As a result, most of the motion vectors to predict pixel values are horizontal as well, so the temporal frame is best reduced in the horizontal plane rather than vertical.

So, having it 960 by 1080 is not just a marketing stunt to allow the developers to spruck "1080p!!!!!1!!", it has a technical reason also. Still, they should have been honest from the beginning and explained that its not 'native' 1080p.



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KZ:SF MP is 1080p native. What they do in the pipeline before rendering the image doesn't really matter.



So this is the technique that future console devs will use to convince us their games run at 4k :^)



jlmurph2 said:
Can anybody give me an example of another game that does this? Because all I'm seeing is that "Its not REALLY 1920x1080, but it's still 1080p".

Dat damage control.

Pretty sure this is how 3D mode works in most console games in order to maintain the same frame rate and display resolution as normal mode. 



Raven722 said:
Imaginedvl said:
Funny how they need to do some damage control now to (and because of) the same exact people who started shit about resolution... Now, the same people thinks that it is "okay" and not a big deal as it does not fit their agenda anymore :)

The game looks great and the majority of people do not care what is the native resolution or any other non-native tricks they are using to render it... I hope they (resolution drama queens out there) are going to feel a bit sad/uncomfortable now that even a Sony studio needs to waste precious time to do damage control over nothing...


It wasn't acceptable to a lot of Xbox fans until reality slapped them in the face that their platform was running games at lower native resolutions to maintain good framerate. Back when they thought their console could handle 1080p just fine and they thought they had more native 1080p games than PS4 all you heard was laughter from them. Turns out not even "cloud power" would help. How many threads ran about "secret sauce" that would push X1 ahead and how much denial was there over Call of Duty not being native 1080p? How many times did we hear insistence that Titanfall would run native 1080p until it was revealed that's not happening? How often do we keep hearing about how DirectX and new devkits are going to change it? Turns out it does matter. It's the pot calling the kettle black. It's a victim mentality that many in the Xbox fanbase have developed because reality sucks and they don't want to admit they were wrong.

As an Xbox fan I can tell you that while we always hope to get the best out of a console, the majority of Xbox owners (and actually even the majority of people out there) do NOT care about the resolution difference as long as the game is good and looks nice. So stop generalizing, you obviously (not being an Xbox owner/fan) have not clue what you are talking about and pretending to know what WE think/believe/want is just ridiculous.

The fact that many people were defending their console and hoping for the best has NOTHING to do with this non-sense about game resolution and how people are making a huge deal out of it. Your post is just reminding me how the vast majority of resolution drama queens does not really care about the actual resolutions or games but really about how the "opposite" fan base should feel instead of their own...

No sure why you are bringing the "secret sauce" or even those rumors about directX and new dev kits. It is not the point at all here and you are just arguing with yourself.



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Imaginedvl said:
Raven722 said:
Imaginedvl said:
Funny how they need to do some damage control now to (and because of) the same exact people who started shit about resolution... Now, the same people thinks that it is "okay" and not a big deal as it does not fit their agenda anymore :)

The game looks great and the majority of people do not care what is the native resolution or any other non-native tricks they are using to render it... I hope they (resolution drama queens out there) are going to feel a bit sad/uncomfortable now that even a Sony studio needs to waste precious time to do damage control over nothing...


It wasn't acceptable to a lot of Xbox fans until reality slapped them in the face that their platform was running games at lower native resolutions to maintain good framerate. Back when they thought their console could handle 1080p just fine and they thought they had more native 1080p games than PS4 all you heard was laughter from them. Turns out not even "cloud power" would help. How many threads ran about "secret sauce" that would push X1 ahead and how much denial was there over Call of Duty not being native 1080p? How many times did we hear insistence that Titanfall would run native 1080p until it was revealed that's not happening? How often do we keep hearing about how DirectX and new devkits are going to change it? Turns out it does matter. It's the pot calling the kettle black. It's a victim mentality that many in the Xbox fanbase have developed because reality sucks and they don't want to admit they were wrong.

As an Xbox fan I can tell you that while we always hope to get the best out of a console, the majority of Xbox owners (and actually even the majority of people out there) do NOT care about the resolution difference as long as the game is good and looks nice. So stop generalizing, you obviously (not being an Xbox owner/fan) have not clue what you are talking about and pretending to know what WE think/believe/want is just ridiculous.

The fact that many people were defending their console and hoping for the best has NOTHING to do with this non-sense about game resolution and how people are making a huge deal out of it. Your post is just reminding me how the vast majority of resolution drama queens does not really care about the actual resolutions or games but really about how the "opposite" fan base should feel instead of their own...

No sure why you are bringing the "secret sauce" or even those rumors about directX and new dev kits. It is not the point at all here and you are just arguing with yourself.


Notice how I said "a lot" of Xbox fans. I also said "many". I did not say "most" or "majority". I was not generalizing like you claim. I know quite well that most average Xbox fans don't care but there really have been quite a few in your fellow fanbase who have acted that way and continue to. On this site and many others. They are the ones I was referring to. I need to own an Xbox or be an Xbox fan to understand the thought processes of people on this site or others who have made it clear what they think? Right. Whatever you say.

My post should remind you that no fanbase is innocent for the "resolution drama queens". Many Xbox fans have been acting like PlayStation fans are the ones to blame for the whole "resolutiongate" nonsense and your post painted a picture of you as one such individual who feels the need to take a stab at the Sony fanbase instead of just the morons in general. Instead of just leaving it as a general statement you had to go and bring up "I hope they feel uncomfortable now that even a Sony studio has to explain". As you are an Xbox fan I'm sure you're quite aware of how that sounded.

I brought up secret sauce and DirectX to illustrate that that there are those in the Xbox fanbase who have pushed and continue to push for the idea that the X1 is superior. So while many of them will say "it doesn't even matter" they still use or used such ideas to push the belief that the X1 would be superior now or someday and gloat about it. If it doesn't matter then why do that? It goes to show that the fanboys on both sides are total hypocrites. That this is not the fault of one fanbase or the other. Yet you can easily look around and see how often the PlayStation fanbase is generalized as aggressors, the cause of the problem, and the only ones who are being hypocrites. 

I took your post as you ragging on Sony fans because of your later comment. If that's not what you were doing then my apologies. I am just as tired as you are of generalizations. I can't even make objective comments without being attacked as a fanboy because I didn't agree with someone of another fanbase. It seems as though no one on this site even wants to actually talk about games anymore but instead compare their tiny penises. The worst part is the penises they're comparing aren't even their own as they claim. Theirs are even smaller.

And now....



Raven722 said:
Imaginedvl said:

As an Xbox fan I can tell you that while we always hope to get the best out of a console, the majority of Xbox owners (and actually even the majority of people out there) do NOT care about the resolution difference as long as the game is good and looks nice. So stop generalizing, you obviously (not being an Xbox owner/fan) have not clue what you are talking about and pretending to know what WE think/believe/want is just ridiculous.

The fact that many people were defending their console and hoping for the best has NOTHING to do with this non-sense about game resolution and how people are making a huge deal out of it. Your post is just reminding me how the vast majority of resolution drama queens does not really care about the actual resolutions or games but really about how the "opposite" fan base should feel instead of their own...

No sure why you are bringing the "secret sauce" or even those rumors about directX and new dev kits. It is not the point at all here and you are just arguing with yourself.


Notice how I said "a lot" of Xbox fans. I also said "many". I did not say "most" or "majority". I was not generalizing like you claim. I know quite well that most average Xbox fans don't care but there really have been quite a few in your fellow fanbase who have acted that way and continue to. On this site and many others. They are the ones I was referring to. I need to own an Xbox or be an Xbox fan to understand the thought processes of people on this site or others who have made it clear what they think? Right. Whatever you say.

My post should remind you that no fanbase is innocent for the "resolution drama queens". Many Xbox fans have been acting like PlayStation fans are the ones to blame for the whole "resolutiongate" nonsense and your post painted a picture of you as one such individual who feels the need to take a stab at the Sony fanbase instead of just the morons in general. Instead of just leaving it as a general statement you had to go and bring up "I hope they feel uncomfortable now that even a Sony studio has to explain". As you are an Xbox fan I'm sure you're quite aware of how that sounded.

I brought up secret sauce and DirectX to illustrate that that there are those in the Xbox fanbase who have pushed and continue to push for the idea that the X1 is superior. So while many of them will say "it doesn't even matter" they still use or used such ideas to push the belief that the X1 would be superior now or someday and gloat about it. If it doesn't matter then why do that? It goes to show that the fanboys on both sides are total hypocrites. That this is not the fault of one fanbase or the other. Yet you can easily look around and see how often the PlayStation fanbase is generalized as aggressors, the cause of the problem, and the only ones who are being hypocrites. 

I took your post as you ragging on Sony fans because of your later comment. If that's not what you were doing then my apologies. I am just as tired as you are of generalizations. I can't even make objective comments without being attacked as a fanboy because I didn't agree with someone of another fanbase. It seems as though no one on this site even wants to actually talk about games anymore but instead compare their tiny penises. The worst part is the penises they're comparing aren't even their own as they claim. Theirs are even smaller.

And now....

 

Well every single thread about resolution drama are started and filled by Playstation enthusiasts (on these forums at least).
So yah my comment was directed toward them. Now it was not about the whole Sony fan community if this is what you understood. Really not.

I'm pretty sure you can see a lot of similarities when something goes wrong for Sony. Microsoft/Xbox fans posting all over like it is the end of the world and I put them in the bucket. As it is really annoying and their only goals is not even to brag about their favorite brand/console at the end but really to be annoying as hell to the "opposite" side... I believe we basically agree on that anyway :)

Sorry if you felt targeted by my post, but I was not a raging on Sony fans in general but only few jerks out there and lately the resolution drama has been a perfect channel for them to display a lot of hypocrisies and annoyance.

Also I really believe developpers are wasting time justifying themselfves while coming to resolution/framerate etc as the majority of people do not care...



Sounds to me like they fake the resolution like these 120hz and 240hz hd tv's fake they're refresh rate. These hd tv's use past and future frames to create the in between frames, giving the impression of 120 or 240hz, and it works pretty damn good too. GG is faking it much the same way. I don't have any problem with it, but let's call it what it is: fake 1920x1080. The original image is 960x1080, that's the bottom line. Just as with hd tv's faking 120hz or higher: the original source is 24,30,or 60 frames per second. It's not amazing, as some here put it. It's not better than 1080p. Let's not fool ourselves here. I can't help but get the feeling that Sony has pigeon holed themselves into this 1080p thing, even though some games clearly should have gone lower for better performance. This is the new "blast processing" for the new gen, courtesy of Sony.