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What do you think about Nintendo's attitude?

Awful, they should fail i... 189 14.04%
 
Pretty Bad, they should l... 385 28.60%
 
Not bad, they're just as anybody else 188 13.97%
 
Good, we need more like them 389 28.90%
 
Excellent, they don't need to change one bit 173 12.85%
 
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vkaraujo said:
Zod95 said:
SuperMarioWorld said:
I stopped during your sports rant at 1.2 as I think this is extremely lame. I'd rather play Mario Stryker over Fifa anyday. Simulation sports/racing games are not for everyone. Wii Sports proved that. I play games for fun.. if I want to play Basketball I'll get out and play it with friends. Sure beats learning a 12 page move list that games like NBA 2K require.

So many people making the same mistake. I guess this should be in bold on the OP:

"Note that I’m not taking into account tastes when referring all those games earlier (like the Guinness book is not about the best people in the world). I’m just focusing on objective remarkable achievements of some games that could have only been done with effort/time/money. If the game X is beautiful or if the game Y is fun, that is already subjective (about tastes)"


That is a lie, you are obviously using your owns tastes when you say Need for Speed or GT are better than Mario Kart. That is just YOUR opinion.The two best selling racing games are both Mario Kart by the way, too bad you don't like them, but the market has obviously enjoyed it.

The same goes to your statement about Sports Games.


You really can't see your bias, can you?

Please post here the sentence where I said that NFS or GT were better than Mario Kart.

It seems the lies and the biased comments aren't coming from me.



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Zod95 said:
sundin13 said:

4. Obviously you weren't around when that article came up and multiple non-anonymous developers said that while there were some problems at launch (as expected), it has all been ironed out a loooong time ago. Many devs stood behind Nintendo on that one...

Evidence, please?

I didn't know they made irony this big.



DarkD said:

Nintendo wanted to make a CD based game player, but they kept getting bad contracts with philips and then with Sony.  Eventually, time ran out, so they just said to hell with it...

Why were they getting bad contracts? Any idea of why a major console maker couldn't get a good deal from potential partners?

 

DarkD said:

What the hell are you talking about, different machine architecture???  You do realize console makers don't collaborate when they release a new console right?  They don't say "oh lets all use the new ATI XXXX graphics card and the 4-core intel XXXX....

You do realize there is PC besides consoles right? PC, with its huge age, dissemination and absence of generational borders, has always set the standard.

 

DarkD said:

They can literally just tack on a bit of programming and all of a sudden its a new product with exclusive content.

Evidence, please.

 

DarkD said:

Now we get to the argumentative stuff.  Raising the roof on graphics doesn't raise anything really.  Its more constrained if anything  Devs are afraid of making anything outside of the norm.

This comment has potential. How do you define the norm?



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mysteryman said:

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viper1 said:

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Red4ADevil said:

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sundin13 said:

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MDMAlliance said:

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At the moment, I don't have the time to reply to such huge commments but I will try to do that on the weekend.



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justiceiro said:
Zod95 said:
cannonballZ said:
Zod95 said:

 

justiceiro said:

2. Altough nintendo really made bad things towards 3rd, was necessary to do that, because the lack of it ruined the 2nd generation. Without control on what was being out, the level of ripoff was alarming, and the amount of shovelware got very above the overall on wii. Releasing only 5 games a year, the need to recieve a seal of quality, this ensure a good output on nes. Why do you think that android gaming has so much crap/ripoff games? Because so litlle requeriments make no ensures on quality. And i bet that anyone who had a nes remember close to none shovelware on the console. Heck, even the tie in games from disney franchises we're actually good.

Then why hasn't any Sony platform needed such a restriction to earn a remarkable game catalogue?

What are you talking about? I'm pretty sure Sony has guidelines and restrictions also, they won't just let any game on their platform. You have to be licensed by Sony to develop on their consoles as well. 




When PS1 came into game, the industry was well stabilished, and even sega did well with the mega drie(genesis). When nitenndo came into the game, most of the people didn't believe on the VG as aviable option. Sony did the rigth amount of restricion when they came. So did nitnendo when they came too.

I'm sorry, what restriction are you talking about that Sony did when they came?



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EricFabian said:

Just your opinion.

1.1 - "Some of you may tell that companies are meant to make profits and thus it’s totally legitimate for Nintendo to make billions at the gamer’s expense. That is true. However, you as a gamer have the power to choose. If there are companies that have been willing to give you as much as you give them, you can opt by them and make the market to operate on this logic. That is also fair".

Your opinion. When you buy a game, you buy a game. Nobody cares if Microsoft or Sony or Nintendo will be happy with my purchase. If I bought a game is because I just want to play it. Sony, Microsoft or Nintendo owe nothing to me. I bought because I want, because I like it. End.

My opinion when I say what exactly? Please specify as I can't find one single sentence on that quote that is an opinion.

 

EricFabian said:

1.2 - You use so many times the word "complex". Just because Nintendo games are not "photo realistics" does NOT mean they aren't "complex". Smash Bros has a gameplay years ahead of Mortal Kombat or Tekken, you like or not. And what about sports? And cartoonish thing? A game don't need to be gray and have 500 blood barrels to be "complex".  I love to kill some people on CoD sometimes, but is funny and "complex" just biuld my city on Animal Crossing.

Where did I say that complexity and photo-realism are the same thing? And when you say "Smash Bros has a gameplay years ahead of Mortal Kombat or Tekken, you like or not" that is nothing more than an opinion. Got ya!

It seems you are coming with opinions, not me.

 

EricFabian said:

1.3 - So many assumptions here that I'm going to skip

Then skip it. Don't bother writing that. Either you really skip it or you criticize it with evidence.

 

EricFabian said:

1.4 - If you wasted your time searching like you said you probably knew about the crash in 1984, so pointless.

2.1 - Yes, you never made a research. Go and read something about the crash.

What has the crash of 1983 to do with Nintendo's bad policies towards gamers and developers? How does one thing justify the other?

 

EricFabian said:

I just have to lol at this. Sony, Microsoft, EA, Ubisoft etc do the same thing. Deal with it.

No, they do drop the price of their consoles and games like Nintendo doesn't.

As for the dirty moves, please list me the ones from each one of them and let's see if they can even be a half of Nintendo's.

 

EricFabian said:

2.2 - I agree that using nini-dvds and cartriges was stupid, but "Sony and Microsoft have always attempted to develop powerful consoles using mainstream hardware tech that could please and be accessible to as many 3rd parties as possible, which could aim for protagonism within the console. Actually, Sony and Microsoft enhanced it, providing good software development tools and eventually financing some projects if they were to be exclusives. Their philosophy was: “if we develop the best system for 3rd party developers, it can’t be bad for our 1st party studios”. No man, just no. PS2, PS3 and original Xbox want to talk with you.

You talk to me. Evidence, please.

 

EricFabian said:

And using anonymous source and saying Wii was safe, you just make sure nobody take you serious.

What?

 

EricFabian said:

2.3 - No.

2.4 - No again

3.1 and on - Just your opinion, everything useless and no facts.

Again, don't bother writing that. Either you skip it or you criticize it with evidence.



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menx64 said:
Too long, but I read it all. Sorry bud but I do not agree with you. I use my hard earned money to buy the games I want. I do not own anything to any company nor they owe me anything.

The part that nintendo lacks about investing money back on gamers is a fallacy. The mayority of people who claim they enjoy nintendo games tent to praise gameplay as the sole reason why their games are good, and while I agree they focus a lot on gameplay, reakl nintendo fans know just how detailed crafted those games are. If you really put attention you'll notice the attention to detail put on most of their games is staggering. The may not create those huge GTA/Fallout worlds, those ultra detail racing games or some ultra violent games, but that does not deny the fact that they are tremendously efficient and amazing game crafters.

The OP doesn't say what Nintendo must do, only what they have done.

Personally, I find that gameplay-focus argument a fallacy. Nintendo only invests on cheap gameplay. Not cheap like bad, the games are fun. Cheap in the sense that is really easy to do what they do once you have their talent. Open-world is expensive, simulating physics is expensive, non-linear story telling is expensive, stochastic-animations-based gameplay is expensive, complex artificial intelligence is expensive, etc. Nintendo does none of that. And I'm only talking about gameplay, not graphics.

I, as a gamer, don't care much about graphics. Gameplay and content are what matters to me. And I would never buy a Nintendo console precisely because they only have cheap gameplay.



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benao87 said:
Wtf!? 'The truth'? Pft, I'm a sucker for those 'deep' simulation games (you missed 'complex') like Civilization or Total War (lol at 'deep'), yet when I choose a console I go with Nintendo devices. Quite the paradox, right?

Stopped reading at.... can't remember and won't look again, I don't need some arrogant and bitter person to tell me what's wrong and right. You don't like Nintendo, fine, but you can't just subtly say that people that support them are less than you.

Calm down. I've never said what is wrong or what is right. The OP only tells about historic facts. It's up to the reader to decide what is wrong and what is right. And I've never said that Nintendo's supporters are less than me.

Regarding your paradox, I don't think so. People that have a PC can also have a Nintendo console to complement the experience.

As for Total War, I've already spent hundreds of hours there due to its deep gameplay. Maybe you haven't invested enough time on it to understand how deep the game is.



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theRepublic said:
are one of the few video game companies out there not consistently seeking to screw over consumers. And they do it all at a more affordable price point than Sony or Microsoft.

"not consistently seeking to screw over consumers" - read "1.4. Nintendo’s policies towards gamers"

"they do it all at a more affordable price point than Sony or Microsoft." - read "1.3. What Nintendo is willing to offer"

 

theRepublic said:
Why should I worry if Nintendo can make a bigger profit than Sony or Microsoft, even at lower price points? Why should I spend more money on a console when I don't have to?

You don't. If Nintendo has the most appealing offers for you, go ahead.



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Cleary397 said:

And as such they owe no debt to their consumers. Because you may have purchased some products from the company in question does not make you a shareholder, or entitled to anything other than the use of the product you have bought.

Sure, that's why I put "debt" within quotation marks

 

Cleary397 said:

They strive to spend their money effeciently and create new gaming experiences, and this is what betters the gaming industry.

The OP says nothing against that, just that they only a small part of what they earn to do so.

 

Cleary397 said:

Having 4k 60fps games does not do anything for the industry, except provide fanboys some graphics ammo to shoot at eachother.

Proving new gaming experiences, interactions innovations and enticing new customers to the industry is what drives it forward.

And Nintendo leads the way in these.

This is purely subjective, only your opinion. The market may just want 4k@60fps games, that will be ok if it's what people want. You are rather telling what you want. Moreover, Nintendo leading the way in trying new game experiences and interaction innovations is again purely subjective. Other people may tell it's Sony. Others may tell it's Ubisoft. Etc.



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