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Kasz216 on 24 February 2014
Leadified said:
Kasz216 said:
Leadified said:
SocialistSlayer said:

 

You're already allowed to deny people of your services if they violate your rights. You're just not allowed to deny someone solely based on discrimination on things like race, sex or sexuality. All this bill does is give a legal defence to a business, so if a gay couple were to sue them they can't win because the business did not break the law.

 

Actually I'm pretty sure your totally allowed to deny people service soley due to sexuality.  I mean

 

 

It might not be 1 to 1, but i gotta think refusal to service and being able to fire are fairly even in standing.

Makes the whole situation even less suprising then, similar laws were proposed in Kansas and Tennesee which are both orange states, so all in all the only reason they're passing this law is because why not, they might be able to get away with it.


Yeah it makes it realy confusing.. since it's totally redudant. 

http://www.latimes.com/nation/nationnow/la-na-nn-arizona-gays-sb-1062-20140222,0,2958198.story?page=2

I can't understand the reasoning really.  

Seems like political grandstanding for votes.



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J_Allard on 24 February 2014
Zappykins said:
J_Allard said:
I'm not a religious person, I have no problem with this bill. You might discriminate against LGBT people with it, but its equally wrong to force someone to do business with someone that clashes with their religious beliefs IMHO. So either way someone is getting screwed.

So, then it's ok for traditional Mormons to kick black people out of their restaurants and hotels because they aren't considered even human in their books?

 

Sure. If I went into a restaurant and was told at the door that it is a religious restaurant and I was not allowed, I would say thank you and leave. I don't meddle into their world, and they don't get my business. Seems win/win. I don't see why people get offended.



ice on 24 February 2014

Private businesses okay, but people that don't should be forced to do it or quit, bitch you're being paid to do a job.



Kane1389 on 24 February 2014
Zappykins said:
Kane1389 said:
Kasz216 said:
the2real4mafol said:
Wow, new segregation!
What is actually there problem with LGBT? I though Republicans especially were against "big government" and yet when they can use it to hurt minorities they do it. Hypocrites!

As long as LGBT people harm no one, they should be allowed to do what they want. It's there bodies.

Also, surely there are bigger issues out there than gay people.


New Segregation seems a bit sensationalist.

You do realize that this was the case in the UK up until 2007 right?

 

All and all, the law is just... totally pointless, because Arisona wasn't one of the states where you couldn't refuse service to gay people in the first place.   Buisnesses have the right to refuse service in most states, and most countries, to anybody except on the basis of Race, Nationality or Disability.

The US also has age on it's list.


Some US states and other countries have gay... but far less countries then you would think.

 

It just rarely happens because... people like money.


Im pretty sure a bakery recently got closed in the US because they refused to bake a cake for a gay wedding

Well, the law in Arizona is a direct violation of the US Constitution..  So that's a problem.  It will get thrown out, but waste a bunch of tax dollars in the process.

The Baker in question, had serviced the couple FOR YEARS and only decided not to service them because it was their wedding. At the same time, they also fulfilled atheist parties and pagan parties so it was the just hate gay people and not about religion. Plus it was in a direct violation of that State's Laws.

They closed their business because they wanted to.  They weren't forced out, they wanted to discriminate and realized they couldn't.  So they closed up shop.

 

Lots of laws in US violate the constitution in some way, yet they are still around. 

As for the bolded, thats not what I read. I read the city forced them to close, which is something billion times more devastating than a minority person getting ''offended''



SocialistSlayer on 24 February 2014
J_Allard said:
Zappykins said:
J_Allard said:
I'm not a religious person, I have no problem with this bill. You might discriminate against LGBT people with it, but its equally wrong to force someone to do business with someone that clashes with their religious beliefs IMHO. So either way someone is getting screwed.

So, then it's ok for traditional Mormons to kick black people out of their restaurants and hotels because they aren't considered even human in their books?

 

Sure. If I went into a restaurant and was told at the door that it is a religious restaurant and I was not allowed, I would say thank you and leave. I don't meddle into their world, and they don't get my business. Seems win/win. I don't see why people get offended.

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sales2099 on 24 February 2014

This isn't just a Christian thing, I am sure many Muslim owned businesses would also like the freedom to do business as they see fit.

Not that I agree, but hey, it's their faith.



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Zappykins on 25 February 2014
SocialistSlayer said:
J_Allard said:
Zappykins said:
J_Allard said:
I'm not a religious person, I have no problem with this bill. You might discriminate against LGBT people with it, but its equally wrong to force someone to do business with someone that clashes with their religious beliefs IMHO. So either way someone is getting screwed.

So, then it's ok for traditional Mormons to kick black people out of their restaurants and hotels because they aren't considered even human in their books?

 

Sure. If I went into a restaurant and was told at the door that it is a religious restaurant and I was not allowed, I would say thank you and leave. I don't meddle into their world, and they don't get my business. Seems win/win. I don't see why people get offended.

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Wow, kind of amazed how many people don't get it hear.  If have a public service you can not discriminate like that.  It’s like people hear do not understand history, or the consequences of legally minimizing some humans over others.

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