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Which will go under 20k a week first?

WiiU 121 37.58%
 
Xbox One 127 39.44%
 
Neither 74 22.98%
 
Total:322
VitroBahllee said:
benji232 said:

1)I think basing expectations of Wii U's early 2014 performance off of it's early 2013 performance is missing the fact that the perception of the Wii U went faaaaaaaaaar south in that time. Now, it's regarded as a bit of a dud.

 2) ALSO, it has competition from two new consoles that it didn't have last year.

I'll divide your post in 2 seperate points.

1) How so? If it's performing better then 2013, HOW does that give any substantial credibility to your point? If it's perception went "far south" in the last yea, how is it performing better in 2014? 

2) WiiU is selling to Nintendo fans and ONLY to Nintendo fans. And as we saw in November, December and even now, in January, ps4 and xbox one had next to no effect at all on wiiU sales. In fact, wiiU sold more in december 2013 vs december 2012. 

Do you not remember the price cut?

The perception of the console as being a bit of a dud is true even if the sales are moderately up. 

Wii U has way more games (though still not a ton) than it did at this time last year, so people might think of it as a dud but still be more willing to pay for a CHEAPER console with MORE GAMES.

And come on, the sales have been so bad that being slightly up from this time last year is no huge victory. Are you seriously debating that the media and the gamer communities don't think of the Wii U as a flop at this point? I can point to dozens of articles demonstrating that the media think the Wii U is seriously underperforming.

As for point two, you are conceding that there is a small base of people who are interested in Wii U. This group has shrunk rather than grown since the GCN, and the Wii U is tracking under the trajectory for the GameCube. So there is no reason to expect it to sell well.

All I'm saying is that there is good reason to suspect the Wii U might dip below 20k weekly between now and Mario Kart. I


You're putting words in my mouth that I never even mentionned. I never argued that wiiU is a failure ( please copy paste where I was arguing that? I even pointed out multiple times in multiple threads on vgchartz how much of a disaster wiiU is in terms of sales) and again, where am I scream victory on wiiU sales lol??? Please, point that out for me, copy paste, quote me. 

On you're point 2, yea obviously. If the system is selling 35k units a week on a global basis, then it's selling HORRIBLY. The system IS a flop. And yes, I am aware that it's tracking below GC. Looking at you're arguments, you were simply assuming that I was a fanboy making a prediction without any proof. Selling below 40k a week globally is horrible. However, this does not prove you're point at all that it would dip below 20k. In fact, you brought up absolutely no arguments to prove that the system would dip below 20k. 

Last year, the system dipped once below 20k without ANY major releases for the first 6months of the year. This year, we have 1 major release and 1 big release for the first 6months. And the system is tracking above last year. It's safe to say that it won't dip below 20k.



Predictions for LT console sales:

PS4: 120M

XB1: 70M

WiiU: 14M

3DS: 60M

Vita: 13M

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benji232 said:
VitroBahllee said:
benji232 said:
 

1)I think basing expectations of Wii U's early 2014 performance off of it's early 2013 performance is missing the fact that the perception of the Wii U went faaaaaaaaaar south in that time. Now, it's regarded as a bit of a dud.

 2) ALSO, it has competition from two new consoles that it didn't have last year.

I'll divide your post in 2 seperate points.

1) How so? If it's performing better then 2013, HOW does that give any substantial credibility to your point? If it's perception went "far south" in the last yea, how is it performing better in 2014? 

2) WiiU is selling to Nintendo fans and ONLY to Nintendo fans. And as we saw in November, December and even now, in January, ps4 and xbox one had next to no effect at all on wiiU sales. In fact, wiiU sold more in december 2013 vs december 2012. 

Do you not remember the price cut?

The perception of the console as being a bit of a dud is true even if the sales are moderately up. 

Wii U has way more games (though still not a ton) than it did at this time last year, so people might think of it as a dud but still be more willing to pay for a CHEAPER console with MORE GAMES.

And come on, the sales have been so bad that being slightly up from this time last year is no huge victory. Are you seriously debating that the media and the gamer communities don't think of the Wii U as a flop at this point? I can point to dozens of articles demonstrating that the media think the Wii U is seriously underperforming.

As for point two, you are conceding that there is a small base of people who are interested in Wii U. This group has shrunk rather than grown since the GCN, and the Wii U is tracking under the trajectory for the GameCube. So there is no reason to expect it to sell well.

All I'm saying is that there is good reason to suspect the Wii U might dip below 20k weekly between now and Mario Kart. I


You're putting words in my mouth that I never even mentionned. I never argued that wiiU is a failure ( please copy paste where I was arguing that? I even pointed out multiple times in multiple threads on vgchartz how much of a disaster wiiU is in terms of sales) and again, where am I scream victory on wiiU sales lol??? Please, point that out for me, copy paste, quote me. 

On you're point 2, yea obviously. If the system is selling 35k units a week on a global basis, then it's selling HORRIBLY. The system IS a flop. And yes, I am aware that it's tracking below GC. Looking at you're arguments, you were simply assuming that I was a fanboy making a prediction without any proof. Selling below 40k a week globally is horrible. However, this does not prove you're point at all that it would dip below 20k. In fact, you brought up absolutely no arguments to prove that the system would dip below 20k. 

Last year, the system dipped once below 20k without ANY major releases for the first 6months of the year. This year, we have 1 major release and 1 big release for the first 6months. And the system is tracking above last year. It's safe to say that it won't dip below 20k.


So I can only use words in my post that you have already said? I don't understand. I'm just stating my opinion. Not everything I say has to be an argument with your opinion.

Let me take some words you said.

"Paste." Okay. When did I ever mention paste? I didn't bring up paste! You can even find posts where I say I use tape as an adhesive!

You're trying to paint me as some glue fanboy!

I think I won't bother talking to you in the future.



Neither. If WiiU didn't drop under 20k last year then it's not going to do it this year. XBO will never fall under 30k.



Sigs are dumb. And so are you!

VitroBahllee said:
benji232 said:
VitroBahllee said:
benji232 said:
 

1)I think basing expectations of Wii U's early 2014 performance off of it's early 2013 performance is missing the fact that the perception of the Wii U went faaaaaaaaaar south in that time. Now, it's regarded as a bit of a dud.

 2) ALSO, it has competition from two new consoles that it didn't have last year.

I'll divide your post in 2 seperate points.

1) How so? If it's performing better then 2013, HOW does that give any substantial credibility to your point? If it's perception went "far south" in the last yea, how is it performing better in 2014? 

2) WiiU is selling to Nintendo fans and ONLY to Nintendo fans. And as we saw in November, December and even now, in January, ps4 and xbox one had next to no effect at all on wiiU sales. In fact, wiiU sold more in december 2013 vs december 2012. 

Do you not remember the price cut?

The perception of the console as being a bit of a dud is true even if the sales are moderately up. 

Wii U has way more games (though still not a ton) than it did at this time last year, so people might think of it as a dud but still be more willing to pay for a CHEAPER console with MORE GAMES.

And come on, the sales have been so bad that being slightly up from this time last year is no huge victory. Are you seriously debating that the media and the gamer communities don't think of the Wii U as a flop at this point? I can point to dozens of articles demonstrating that the media think the Wii U is seriously underperforming.

As for point two, you are conceding that there is a small base of people who are interested in Wii U. This group has shrunk rather than grown since the GCN, and the Wii U is tracking under the trajectory for the GameCube. So there is no reason to expect it to sell well.

All I'm saying is that there is good reason to suspect the Wii U might dip below 20k weekly between now and Mario Kart. I


You're putting words in my mouth that I never even mentionned. I never argued that wiiU is a failure ( please copy paste where I was arguing that? I even pointed out multiple times in multiple threads on vgchartz how much of a disaster wiiU is in terms of sales) and again, where am I scream victory on wiiU sales lol??? Please, point that out for me, copy paste, quote me. 

On you're point 2, yea obviously. If the system is selling 35k units a week on a global basis, then it's selling HORRIBLY. The system IS a flop. And yes, I am aware that it's tracking below GC. Looking at you're arguments, you were simply assuming that I was a fanboy making a prediction without any proof. Selling below 40k a week globally is horrible. However, this does not prove you're point at all that it would dip below 20k. In fact, you brought up absolutely no arguments to prove that the system would dip below 20k. 

Last year, the system dipped once below 20k without ANY major releases for the first 6months of the year. This year, we have 1 major release and 1 big release for the first 6months. And the system is tracking above last year. It's safe to say that it won't dip below 20k.


So I can only use words in my post that you have already said? I don't understand. I'm just stating my opinion. Not everything I say has to be an argument with your opinion.

Let me take some words you said.

"Paste." Okay. When did I ever mention paste? I didn't bring up paste! You can even find posts where I say I use tape as an adhesive!

You're trying to paint me as some glue fanboy!

I think I won't bother talking to you in the future.

I'm sick of all the glue wars in this forum. Why can't people just accept that epoxy is the best form of paste? 



Sigs are dumb. And so are you!

Fusioncode said:

Let me take some words you said.

"Paste." Okay. When did I ever mention paste? I didn't bring up paste! You can even find posts where I say I use tape as an adhesive!

You're trying to paint me as some glue fanboy!

I think I won't bother talking to you in the future.

I'm sick of all the glue wars in this forum. Why can't people just accept that epoxy is the best form of paste? 


LOL! Epoxy domination!



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VitroBahllee said:
benji232 said:
VitroBahllee said:
benji232 said:
 

1)I think basing expectations of Wii U's early 2014 performance off of it's early 2013 performance is missing the fact that the perception of the Wii U went faaaaaaaaaar south in that time. Now, it's regarded as a bit of a dud.

 2) ALSO, it has competition from two new consoles that it didn't have last year.

I'll divide your post in 2 seperate points.

1) How so? If it's performing better then 2013, HOW does that give any substantial credibility to your point? If it's perception went "far south" in the last yea, how is it performing better in 2014? 

2) WiiU is selling to Nintendo fans and ONLY to Nintendo fans. And as we saw in November, December and even now, in January, ps4 and xbox one had next to no effect at all on wiiU sales. In fact, wiiU sold more in december 2013 vs december 2012. 

Do you not remember the price cut?

The perception of the console as being a bit of a dud is true even if the sales are moderately up. 

Wii U has way more games (though still not a ton) than it did at this time last year, so people might think of it as a dud but still be more willing to pay for a CHEAPER console with MORE GAMES.

And come on, the sales have been so bad that being slightly up from this time last year is no huge victory. Are you seriously debating that the media and the gamer communities don't think of the Wii U as a flop at this point? I can point to dozens of articles demonstrating that the media think the Wii U is seriously underperforming.

As for point two, you are conceding that there is a small base of people who are interested in Wii U. This group has shrunk rather than grown since the GCN, and the Wii U is tracking under the trajectory for the GameCube. So there is no reason to expect it to sell well.

All I'm saying is that there is good reason to suspect the Wii U might dip below 20k weekly between now and Mario Kart. I


You're putting words in my mouth that I never even mentionned. I never argued that wiiU is a failure ( please copy paste where I was arguing that? I even pointed out multiple times in multiple threads on vgchartz how much of a disaster wiiU is in terms of sales) and again, where am I scream victory on wiiU sales lol??? Please, point that out for me, copy paste, quote me. 

On you're point 2, yea obviously. If the system is selling 35k units a week on a global basis, then it's selling HORRIBLY. The system IS a flop. And yes, I am aware that it's tracking below GC. Looking at you're arguments, you were simply assuming that I was a fanboy making a prediction without any proof. Selling below 40k a week globally is horrible. However, this does not prove you're point at all that it would dip below 20k. In fact, you brought up absolutely no arguments to prove that the system would dip below 20k. 

Last year, the system dipped once below 20k without ANY major releases for the first 6months of the year. This year, we have 1 major release and 1 big release for the first 6months. And the system is tracking above last year. It's safe to say that it won't dip below 20k.


So I can only use words in my post that you have already said? I don't understand. I'm just stating my opinion. It's not an argument with your opinion.

 

Let me take some words you said.

"Paste." Okay. When did I ever mention paste? I didn't bring up paste! You can even find posts where I say I use tape as an adhesive!

You're trying to paint me as some glue fanboy!

I think I won't talk to you in the future.

What? Talk about pulling shit out of your ass. Here is what you said: "And come on, the sales have been so bad that being slightly up from this time last year is no huge victory"

Copy and paste where I said that wiiU sales were a victory.

Also: "As for point two, you are conceding that there is a small base of people who are interested in Wii U. " 

Yes, I am conceding that there IS a small base of people who are interested in wiiU, what's you're point?

All of you're arguments were basically "so you're admitting X" or " WiiU sales are no victory" when I never screamed victory for wiiU sales and you were basically acting as if I shouldn't be admitting that wiiU's audience is small when it really is. I'm not a fanboy, sorry if you thought that I was one of those Nintendo fanboys.



Predictions for LT console sales:

PS4: 120M

XB1: 70M

WiiU: 14M

3DS: 60M

Vita: 13M

Seece said:

WiiU briefly dipped under 20k a week last June, and with the drought incoming it looks like it could see that happen again.

XB1 isn't doing too hot either, Titanfall will ensure it doesn't happen anytime soon but what about the summer months? Will MS have released in enough countries by then, will it matter?


"briefly" lol.

It was just one week and that was 19,338 according to VGCHARTZ. That aside I think the Wii U's first real chance of dropping that low this year will be the end of March. DK will give a much smaller boost than Lego City Undercover, Monster Hunter, and NFSU. It's almost guaranteed though that before Kart releases May 31 it'll be sub 20k.

 

That means XBONE has to drop that low by May 24th at the latest. Theif isn't going to do jack to sales so it's all up to Titanfall. I doubt the system would drop below 20k before TF's release. There's a large drought after Titanfall which could see the XBONE reach 20K around June, but that's too late.

 

Winner: Wii U



JoeTheBro said:

That means XBONE has to drop that low by May 24th at the latest. Theif isn't going to do jack to sales so it's all up to Titanfall. I doubt the system would drop below 20k before TF's release. There's a large drought after Titanfall which could see the XBONE reach 20K around June, but that's too late.

 

Winner: Wii U


I strongly disagree. I don't think you will be proven right on this.



Wii U. I don't really know about exclusives the XB1 is getting in the July-October area, but if those aren't good or there, I could see it dipping close to 20k.



None, XB1 should maintain thanks to Titanfall despite the price and Wii u not even in 2013 was under 20k (I think).