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VitroBahllee said:
Shinobi-san said:
VitroBahllee said:
 


The OP is simply QUOTING THE HEADLINE OF THE NEWS ARTICLE HE IS REFERRING TO.

Go get on the case of the journalist who wrote it. It's not anybody on this board's fault. You should be a tech news editor with your attention to detail with regards to terminology. That's laudable. But it's derailing this conversation.

Well theres no link in the OP i though he had wrote it himself. It doesnt matter though...who ever wrote the article is using wrong terminology. Im not derailing anything. Report me if you think im derailing. See what happens

So what do you think about the idea of selling X1 without the Kinect? I personally bought it FOR the Kinect. I think the fact that it is included with every system helps define the way I interact with the system.

I dont think MS should drop the Kinect. But they need to support and market it better.

On that same note i dont think they should make Kinect mandotory for core functionality. The current level of integration the X1 system has with Kinect is good enough. It works without it and it works arguably better with it.

Selling it without Kinect can also be an option though. Whatever MS chooses they need to go all the way. I feel like the decisions they are making are half in half out.



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@Shinobi and Vitro..

I am the one that wrote the OP and my understanding of peripheral is fine.
Like I already stated to you Shinobi.. you don't need the traditional controller to use your xbox one, unless of course you want to play games that require it.
Both the traditional controller and the Kinect are integral to the system, they both do the same thing with respect to operation, that they use different schemes to control the Xbox One is inconsequential.. they are both 'main' controllers.
Neither one can be considered a peripheral.
You simply choose to see it the other way because you either have a dislike for Microsoft and/or the Xbox One, or you're a PS fan itching to throw a couple digs at the Xbox.
Maybe both, I don't know.
Why is it that you can't accept the fact that the Kinect was designed to be an alternative, main controller for the Xbox?
Seriously. What's the problem?



Shinobi-san said:
 

I dont think MS should drop the Kinect. But they need to support and market it better.

 

They do, X1 would be doing better at 399 and without it.  Its got enough 3rd party and a few key big exclusives to achive success.  But that camera is sinking an other wise quite good console. PS4 is so way better do to kinteic weghing down the X1.

it just adds nothing at all.

and for those that want it, they can buy a bundle buy seperatly.  but dont force the bs on everyone, Sony didnt and look whos owning this gen.



Sevengen said:
ArnoldRimmer said:

Good lord, I think I have never seen such ignorance. Even faced with clear proof that your understanding of the word "peripheral" is simply wrong, you choose to ignore any facts that don't fit your opinion, and come up with pretty much the same, completely pointless argument.

see here we go...
now did imply that you were ignorant, or that you're opinions were ignorant.
NO.
I kept it relatively friendly and I was able to do so because my argument didn't/doesn't need insults to help bolster it's premise.
Obviously your does, which is where you truly lose the discussion.
When a person's argument devolves into personal attacks, that's the point where they know they've lost... because they can't manufature any further logic to sustain their point and end up giving into frustration.
later Arnold.
better luck next time.


That wasnt an insult...

And WTF at your post...that is some arogant uninformed maloney. Arnold like me is WTF'ing in hes head at your posts in which you continue to ignore facts.



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Shinobi-san said:

You are absolutely correct.

My bad. Although when it comes to a games console it might be a bit different? That is if we define a game console and Personal Computer as two different things...which we probably cant so yes you are right.

I must admit that I didn't even know the correct definition of a "peripheral" myself until I had another look at the Wikipedia page. For some reason, I actually considered the hard drive to not be a peripheral.

While I can see your point about a game console eventually being a special case, (since it's not exactly a standard computer), I don't think that really makes a difference. Wikipedia for example states that "In a system on a chip, peripherals are incorporated into the same integrated circuit as the central processing unit. They are still referred to as "peripherals" despite being permanently attached to (and in some sense part of) their host processor." I think this is a somewhat similar case.

I think even if something like a traditional controller is mandatory for the actual firmware/operating system being used, that doesn't change the devices "peripheral or not" status. The software being run does not decide if something is a peripheral. Otherwise, a graphics card for example would have to be considered a peripheral under Linux, but not under Windows.



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binary solo said:
Sevengen said:

Microsoft and the Xbox One can't catch a break...  and to be honest a lot of gamers may not feel they deserve one after last years industry coup attempt at E3. After the dust settled though, it was clear that they weren't really trying to screw gamers out of their livelyhood, but only attemtping to ensure their own. By chasing after the PC model of gaming, which takes DRM to the extreme; limited if any sharing of games, restricted trade-in pollicies, verification and strict licensing of intectuall properties, they were trying to create a more lucrative and thereby stable environment for themselves and developers.  They weren't trying to cheat anyone out of what they deserved, only trying to keep people from cheating them. That's pretty black and white.
But the whole thing blew up and every gamer who paid attention got to watch as Microsoft exploded right in front of us.
A moment many console gamers and their PC brethren had been patiently and opportunistically waiting for.
Attack!!

Since then we've seen every facet and design choice of the Xbox One and Xbox Live broken down and set on fire through nearly every gaming forum, publication, and self-serving blog site the internet has to offer. Some opinions presented fairly and objectively, most of them... not.
Kicking the shit out of Microsoft's Xbox One has almost become a pastime on this site; with PS4 fans slipping comfortably into their Sony jerseys, finding an open seat in the stands and lobbing every insult, ugly fact or baseless claim they can find or dream up towards the other team.
Annoying.
Some of it fair.. most of it not.
The one that gets to me the most though is this conditioned, predisposed opinion that the Kinect for Xbox One is a peripheral.

 It isn't.

It's an alternative controller that Microsoft decided to build there system around, something, as other posters have already stated, helps define the Xbox One and separate it from its competitors.
For the most part, it seems the only people complaining about it are the anti-Microsoft crowd, devoted PS4 fans with a bashing agenda, and gamers that can't seem to wrap their head around the fact that it's not a peripheral and use its inclusion as a way to bitch about price.
While the PS4 is inarguably more powerful on the stat sheet and has seen that difference parlayed into countless threads about better resolutions and frame rates, the Xbox One, as is, can do things the PS4 simply can't.
I'm more than willing to sacrifice a mere 180 lines of pixels and a few dozen frames per second, both technical specs that are negligible when the differences of measurement are so small, for a console that gives me advantages and user experiences the others don't have.
The PS4 is the more powerful, less expensive machine; the Xbox One is the more interesting and forward thinking alternative.
Price or innovation?
Innovation always wins in the long run.. would you be reading this on your tablet or smartphone if it didn't?

Is that you Don?

I don't much care about the Kinect diatribe, but the bolded is utter bullshit. Who exactly has been cheating MS and developers out of money all these years? Just because PC publishers got away with it doesn't make it morally right. Every entertainment product I've ever bought I have a legal and moral right to sell or give away to someone else...except video games? What? How are video games such a special snowflake when they are the most expensive of all entertaiment products I buy. The answer if course is simply: because they can.

I find it so distateful how so many gamers are apologists for corporate immoral practices. I hate DRM on PC game disks, but what's done is done and it can't be undone. But I want that festering disease to stay away from console games forever. And you know true DRM on PC game discs has not become universal until quite recently. I borrowed my brother's Dragon Age 2 PC game and it worked fine.

Games don't need DRM to be profitable, they just need to be good and well marketed. Pachter actually even made a well reasoned case that game industry revenue would go down with universal DRM on consoles. So it's even simplistic and naive to think that supporting DRM on consoles is supporting dame developers. They will make less money with DRM, not more.

don't be rediculous.
the ONLY reason DRM came into play at all is because people are fricken' thieves.
You know it, I know it...
So let me ask you this, is PC gaming making less money now than they were 15 years ago?.. you know, as Pachter said would happen to consoles if they instituted strict DRM practices. Isn't one a mirror of the other?



Sevengen said:
@Shinobi and Vitro..

I am the one that wrote the OP and my understanding of peripheral is fine.
Like I already stated to you Shinobi.. you don't need the traditional controller to use your xbox one, unless of course you want to play games that require it.
Both the traditional controller and the Kinect are integral to the system, they both do the same thing with respect to operation, that they use different schemes to control the Xbox One is inconsequential.. they are both 'main' controllers.
Neither one can be considered a peripheral.
You simply choose to see it the other way because you either have a dislike for Microsoft and/or the Xbox One, or you're a PS fan itching to throw a couple digs at the Xbox.
Maybe both, I don't know.
Why is it that you can't accept the fact that the Kinect was designed to be an alternative, main controller for the Xbox?
Seriously. What's the problem?

The problem is...

Im a PS fanboy itching to take digs at the Xbox One Its just so hard not to.

You know whats funny? Both me and Arnold are actually taking your OP seriously and trying to add to the discussion..trying to gear your argument in a way that encourages discussion rather than some of the closed minded responses you have gotten or are giving.



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VitroBahllee said:
Shinobi-san said:

No. You're just not understanding what peripheral means. Perhaps you should have used the word add on in the OP that way you can win the argument.


The OP is simply QUOTING THE HEADLINE OF THE NEWS ARTICLE HE IS REFERRING TO.

Go get on the case of the journalist who wrote it. It's not anybody on this board's fault. You should be a tech news editor with your attention to detail with regards to terminology. That's laudable. But it's derailing this conversation.


Turns out this isnt an article and Sevengen wrote this himself so yeah....



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Shinobi-san said:
VitroBahllee said:
Shinobi-san said:

No. You're just not understanding what peripheral means. Perhaps you should have used the word add on in the OP that way you can win the argument.


The OP is simply QUOTING THE HEADLINE OF THE NEWS ARTICLE HE IS REFERRING TO.

Go get on the case of the journalist who wrote it. It's not anybody on this board's fault. You should be a tech news editor with your attention to detail with regards to terminology. That's laudable. But it's derailing this conversation.


Turns out this isnt an article and Sevengen wrote this himself so yeah....

From Polygon - http://www.polygon.com/2014/2/17/5419464/microsoft-xbox-one-remove-kinect-pack-in

So yeah....



Shinobi-san said:
Sevengen said:
ArnoldRimmer said:

Good lord, I think I have never seen such ignorance. Even faced with clear proof that your understanding of the word "peripheral" is simply wrong, you choose to ignore any facts that don't fit your opinion, and come up with pretty much the same, completely pointless argument.

see here we go...
now did imply that you were ignorant, or that you're opinions were ignorant.
NO.
I kept it relatively friendly and I was able to do so because my argument didn't/doesn't need insults to help bolster it's premise.
Obviously your does, which is where you truly lose the discussion.
When a person's argument devolves into personal attacks, that's the point where they know they've lost... because they can't manufature any further logic to sustain their point and end up giving into frustration.
later Arnold.
better luck next time.


That wasnt an insult...

And WTF at your post...that is some arogant uninformed maloney. Arnold like me is WTF'ing in hes head at your posts in which you continue to ignore facts.


really.. "I have never seen such ignorance" wasn't intended to be an insult?
that's what you're going with.. lol.
Maybe along with studying what a peripheral is you should take a class on what constitutes an insult.
I think I'm done with you also...
just thick-headed man, thick-headed and stubborn.
the worst kind of person to try and discuss things with.

wasn't an insult..... lol......