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JoeTheBro said:
Mr Puggsly said:
JoeTheBro said:

Obviously this only applies when the games have comparable graphics.

Take Ghosts for example. Ignoring image quality and just focusing on the rendered scene the XBONE port looks better but it's fair to say that both are somewhat close.

Wii U Ghosts: 880X720 or 633,600 pixels

XBONE Ghosts: 1280X720 or 921,600 pixels

PS4 Ghosts: 1920X1080 or 2,073,600 pixels

There's nothing wrong with making this comparison.

There is nothing wrong with making that comparison, but its fair to say its a worthless comparison because there is more to graphics than resolution.

It completely ignores the superior graphics and frame rate of the X1 port. That's ignoring important details to spin your argument.

A PC game running at 720p with low graphic settings is not equal to running that same game on 720p with high graphics settings.

 

BF4 looks significantly better than CoD and achieves 60 fps, but for your comparison we have to ignore it because the Wii U didn't get its 7th gen quality port.

I mentioned that. See the bolded. Unlike COD and BF4, is there a night and day difference between the Wii U and XBONE ports when ignoring image quality? They look really close to me. Also I didn't know the Wii U port hovered around 40fps. That's a mistake on my part.

@Fatslob I'd go with pugsly's point too, that's why I said it

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fatslob-:O said:
JoeTheBro said:

I mentioned that. See the bolded. Unlike COD and BF4, is there a night and day difference between the Wii U and XBONE ports when ignoring image quality? They look really close to me. Also I didn't know the Wii U port hovered around 40fps. That's a mistake on my part.

@Fatslob I'd go with pugsly's point too, that's why I said it

"When you take away what makes this console superior, it's clearly unremarkable." - Khan 

lol I remember that.



freedquaker said:

 it just is crippled in the sense that it usually cannot handle 1080p.


Well the X1 can handle 1080p, but that often deters 60 fps.

But lets not ignore PS4 often struggles to achieve 1080p with 60 fps as well. Even if it does it more often than the X1.



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JoeTheBro said:
think-man said:
PS4 and X1 looking pretty much the same.

WiiU looks good but not X1 good.


Why do people keep thinking I'm saying Wii U and XBONE are on par?


Cause I don't think-man



Mr Puggsly said:
freedquaker said:

 it just is crippled in the sense that it usually cannot handle 1080p.


Well the X1 can handle 1080p, but that often deters 60 fps.

But lets not ignore PS4 often struggles to achieve 1080p with 60 fps as well. Even if it does it more often than the X1.


I said "usually". Of course it can technically handle 1080p. I believe even X360 can handle 1080p. WiiU can handle 1080p. We know Forza 5 is 1080p, which I saw with my bare eyes. That's not the point. It depends on the game, and the amount of information that needs to be put on screen. 32 MB is TOO LITTLE. This is why only a few non-demanding  sports game (which have only certain number 3d models on the screen as well as cartoonish crowd) and racing games (with 2d backgrounds and a fast paced game with little attention to environmental details) are 1080p on XB1 while the poster child games such as Dead Rising, Ryse, and Titanfall, which are all sub1080p.



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JoeTheBro said:
think-man said:
PS4 and X1 looking pretty much the same.

WiiU looks good but not X1 good.


Why do people keep thinking I'm saying Wii U and XBONE are on par?


Because you implied it.

Remember that time you focused on pixels instead of graphics and performance?

 

Lastly, if the X1 was closer to Wii U in graphics... the X1 would get games that look like Wii U running at a higher resolution. Not PS4 games running at a lower resolution.



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JoeTheBro said:
gergroy said:
JoeTheBro said:

With the recent news that MGS:GZ is 720p 60fps on the XBONE, is anyone else starting to feel that the system is closer in terms of graphics to the Wii U than the PS4? There's certainly a large gap between the XBONE and Wii U, no one is denying that, but the gap between the PS4 and XBONE appears even larger. I'm certainly thinking so.


Really?  Do you actually believe that?  Or are you just trying to be controversial?

I don't know if it is, but I do believe it could be. It's certainly not as crazy of a question as most people act.

 

As far as being controversial goes, yeah after re-reading my op I can see why you'd think that. It's not a negative to the XBONE as much as it's a positive to the Wii U and PS4. The Wii U is A LOT stronger than most people believe and the PS4 is exceeding some people's expectations too. Say Wii U was three times stronger than PS3, XBONE was six times stronger than PS3, and PS4 was 12 times stronger than PS3. In that hypothetical situation the XBONE is evenly placed between the two. Those numbers probably sound wrong to most people, but do they sound absurd? I don't think so. It's definitely worth a discussion.


Isnt it pretty obvious which one is closer though?  Arent you a developer?  Cant you look at the specs and know?  You should know, especially since every developer and their dog has been saying that the two systems were close from the start.  



I don't think so, but I think it's becoming pretty apparent that Microsoft followed Nintendo's lead and bundled their console with a peripheral that accounts for a substantial amount of the cost of the sku that they have on the market. Looking at their current models, the Wii U costs $299.00 ( down from $350.00 which is probably costing them a substantial amount on each unit sold, they probably knocked $50.00 off th price of the gamepad in order to sell more units ) but I think they would be hard pressed to confirm that $200.00 of that is actually for the tech the Wii U itself has under the hood.

Similarly with Xbox One, you probably have a console that's at best a $300 to $350 dollar console under the hood with Kinect 2.0 accounting for $150 to $200 of the current SKU's retail price of $500.00.

I think with Playstation 4 that it's pretty apparent that you actually get a console that has $400 worth of tech under the hood.

And I think it's so apparent that even this outspoken Xbox youtube supporter ( http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fRdHUNpFGpw&list=UU3CH2i9rJ24NuJ9ruX5RvAw ) is coming to same conclusion.

 



shikamaru317 said:

So, Xbox One has more than twice as many CPU cores running at a 41% higher clock speed. It has 5 times more useable shared memory running at more than 5 times the bandwidth (plus it's eSRAM has more than double the bandwidth of the Wii U's eDRAM). And it's GPU is roughly 3.7 times more powerful than the Wii U's.

So, both the pure specs and the multiplat games so far suggest that the Xbox One is much closer to the PS4 than the Wii U.


You can't just grab arbitrary numbers and compare CPU's like that.
PowerPC and Jaguar have completely different instructions sets, different cache sizes, cache speeds, cache associativity, different branch predictors, different extensions, different front and back end widths and different interconnect bandwidths, amongst other things.
It's far less black and white than what you would imply.

The only time you can compare a processor of the same clockspeed is when it's the same architecture or when it's a derivative of such. (This was a lesson people learn't the hard way during the Pentium 4 and Pentium D era's, how short some peoples memories must be.)

As for the GPU's, the WiiU is based upon the VLIW5 architecture which is an architecture that is not as effecient as Graphics Core Next in any metric when dealing with modern games, using GFLOPS to again, compare GPU's of different architectures is the wrong way to go about it, the disparity between the Xbox One and Wii U's GPU is far larger than the numbers imply.

Simply put, the Xbox one is more effecient per "gigaflop/mhz/ghz" than the WiiU and it's an advantage shared by the Playstation 4.

Mr Puggsly said:
freedquaker said:

 it just is crippled in the sense that it usually cannot handle 1080p.


Well the X1 can handle 1080p, but that often deters 60 fps.

But lets not ignore PS4 often struggles to achieve 1080p with 60 fps as well. Even if it does it more often than the X1.


The Xbox One, like the Playstation 3 and 4 and the Xbox 360 as well as Wii U can run games at 1080P@60fps just fine.

However, there is a massive demand for ever-improving-graphics from consumers, developers meet that by making sacrifices in an area to bolster another.
One of the first to go is generally the resolution and framerate.



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gergroy said:
JoeTheBro said:
gergroy said:
JoeTheBro said:

With the recent news that MGS:GZ is 720p 60fps on the XBONE, is anyone else starting to feel that the system is closer in terms of graphics to the Wii U than the PS4? There's certainly a large gap between the XBONE and Wii U, no one is denying that, but the gap between the PS4 and XBONE appears even larger. I'm certainly thinking so.


Really?  Do you actually believe that?  Or are you just trying to be controversial?

I don't know if it is, but I do believe it could be. It's certainly not as crazy of a question as most people act.

 

As far as being controversial goes, yeah after re-reading my op I can see why you'd think that. It's not a negative to the XBONE as much as it's a positive to the Wii U and PS4. The Wii U is A LOT stronger than most people believe and the PS4 is exceeding some people's expectations too. Say Wii U was three times stronger than PS3, XBONE was six times stronger than PS3, and PS4 was 12 times stronger than PS3. In that hypothetical situation the XBONE is evenly placed between the two. Those numbers probably sound wrong to most people, but do they sound absurd? I don't think so. It's definitely worth a discussion.


Isnt it pretty obvious which one is closer though?  Arent you a developer?  Cant you look at the specs and know?  You should know, especially since every developer and their dog has been saying that the two systems were close from the start.  

No. Yes. No. You still consider the XBONE and PS4 close?