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BeElite said:
osed125 said:

A couple of days ago I made this post as to why I think this could potentially be the last console generation; and, as the tittle says, it has nothing to do with the Wii U, X1 or PS4 sales, this is all based on the future generations and what they are currently playing, which is something I honestly have never seen anyone mentioned. I'm just gonna copy paste the post I made: 

I personally believe that mobile and facebook games have indeed been hurting both handhelds and consoles a lot. Before the mass popularity of these games, when people talk about playing video games they used to mention PS2, GC, Xbox, Wii, 360, PS3, etc..now they mention Candy Crush, Angry Birds, Clash of Clans, etc. People are starting to see that you don't need to pay $300 + a game to enjoy video games, or if you pay, is only max of $15. Now whether you consider games like Candy Crush or Angry Birds video games doesn't matter, that's the perception people have. I sometimes see the argument that "you also have to pay for the phone which is more expensive than the console" the problem is that phone gives the consumer much more value, you can make phone calls, take pictures, check your e-mail, and up top of all this, you can play video games. Marketing plays a huge role in this.

Yet just now 400 console set all time records while a 500 set all time Xbox brand records.   There goes that pay 300 point you had.  Seems there is greater value in consoles then ever before.

What Mario Bros. was for the kids 80s, it is now Angry Birds. You bet that the first game many kids that were born 2008 onward played was Angry Birds. I sometimes imagine how the forums will look like in 10 years and see threads asking "what was the first game you ever played?" and Angry Birds will be many people's answer. Those kids will then play other facebook and mobile games until the point where they won't need anything else, and most important, they won't have to pay for them, they will grow up with this mentality. Mobile and Facebook games are also getting bigger and "deeper", they of course don't match (and probably never will) the size of AAA games, but we will slowly start to see (as internet speeds get better) bigger games that you will only have to use a keyboard and have an internet connection. 

Same way those kids moved from mario to Halo COD GTA whatever, the current ones will move on. 

Now here is another thing to consider, will kids and teenagers that played mobile games will later move on to consoles as they become adults? hard to say, but I personally don't think so because even teenagers and people in the 20s are already playing these games, so why kids, that grew up playing this on top of all things, follow a different path? 

Reality proves you wrong, my brothers 8 years old balled his eyes out when he didnt find a PS4 under the tree for Xmas.  In my closest family there are 3 under ten and all already console game.  They play all games, but even they see that tablet phone games suck and want the real deal. 

You are going with the unrealistic expectation that people will not want better, if you are a gamer you will want better games console games.  So it comes down to are they a casuals wiling to get by on phone showelware just killing time or are they a gamers. 

The people's gaming needs will be satisfied with the likes of Angry Birds and Candy Crush, this will be the consequence of what I mentioned in the previous paragraph. A new generation that will grow up playing these games, and just as we saw Mario getting bigger moving from 2D to 3D, kids today will see mobile and Facebook game getting bigger and better.

No, im seeing with my own eyes a gen grow up on that crap yet they still want the CODs GT Halo.  Causals are satisfied by it.

To add a little bit more, the fact that you don't have to pay for these games is a huge incentive to both parents and the kids and teenagers themselves. I mean parents will be happy to not waste any money in the kids gaming needs (well they have to pay for the phones, but like I already mentioned, the phone gives A LOT more value than a gaming console or handheld), and the kids themselves will be happier, why? remember when you were a kid and you spent months saving money to buy a single game? kids today won't have that problem, they will just go to the app store and download any game they find interest in, or at max, they will pay $15 or something like that.

You do get the difference of playing phone crap and a AAA console game.  Based on your mentality I might as well not buy runners cause i already have flip flops which are far cheeper.

Let's also take into consideration that in a somewhat distant future, when the internet speeds are somewhat balance across the board, developers will stop making games for console. It will be cheaper for them to make the game with single specifications and just let people stream it. Although I don't see this as a viable option for at least even a decade when the people that have a good internet speed will overshadow the ones who don't, making it the best option for developers. And this is why I personally believe Sony and MS will do, who knows maybe there won't ever be a PS5 or Xbox Two (?) and all their games will be played by streaming; Nintendo is a weird case because they live in their own little world, so who knows what they will come up with. Imagine if at some point EA decides to make a full FIFA game that can be played on a web browser? If that day ever comes, it will be the nail in the coffin for consoles in Europe and Latin America. It benefits EA as well because they won't have to pay for console royalties nor the retailers, meaning they will get every single penny the game costs (well EA is trying to do that with Origin right now, but we all know it sucks really hard).

We are decades from that, in case you havent noticed internet and cable providers dont adopt new tech overnight.  We got 4k tvs already yet most my programs are barely 1080i and manya re still sd.  I wonder how many decades it be before you can stream a 1080p 60fps game anywhere in the world no problem. 

To be clear, I don't expect the things I mentioned above to take full effect until a decade at the earliest, especially the streaming part since that requires a huge percentage of people to have good internet speeds. Or maybe, console gaming will become a niche market, the problem with this however is that big publishers will have to re-think their business strategy; if games are having a hard time making profits selling 2 million copies, in niche environment, this has to drastically change.

TL;DR version: kids are stupid and they won't buy consoles because they can play Angry Birds, they will grow up with this mentality and will play more stupid games. If consoles don't die, they will become a niche market. THE POWER of streaming video games....all this coming in the next decade. 

 

PS4 launched to all time record numbers.  Xbox did record numbers for the brand.  GTAV just became the best selling non bundled game ever, last gen is responcible for plenty new succesfull Ips.  Industry is coming up with new stuff not relying on old ips to get by.

yet the sky is falling lol.

Casuals and gamers, their will always be a divide. 

You are not seeing the main difference here. Kids that grew up playing Mario Bros. on the NES had to pay for the console and the games (or their parents had to at least). So they grew up with the principle that had to pay to enjoy games, they are the ones that are buying GTA V in masse, and are buying gaming consoles today. The new generation of kids won't learn that.

Also, just because your 8 year old brother wasn't happy when he didn't got a PS4 doesn't mean all kids are. My 9 year old cousin is extremely happy with his Galaxy S3 mini and playing Angry Birds and Cut the Rope all day. 

The people that are buying PS4s and bought GTA V (the so called "hardcore" gamers) will eventually stop playing games, and the new generation will be the ones that will take over, the ones that will grow up playing mobile games. 

Edit: also, learn to read, I said $300+, meaning $300 is lowest you are currently paying (without counting deals obviously) for a gaming console, which is the Wii U.



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I think you're largely right. There will always be a place for "real" gaming, but I think it's going to be on PC's. Maybe not as soon as next generation, but maybe the one after that.



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osed125 said:
BenVTrigger said:
PC is hurting consoles as well, its having a huge resurgence

The thing is that the problem goes way deeper. As Augen and I mentioned, kids today could grow up with the mentality that paying $60 for a game is unthinkable and prefer the free game, regardless of it's size and/or quality. 

There's also the problem of the costs to buy or build a PC, however like I mentioned in my post, when/if streaming becomes a viable option for developers then costs won't be that big a problem because you could play on your crappy laptop or even on your phone.


Tell that to Steam. Ive spent 100 dollars in the past 2 months on it and bought 30 games for that.

I mean my god I just got Witcher 2 for 3 bucks. I cant really justify playing consoles much now days. Its WAY more expensive than PC gaming over the course of a generation.



HumdrumPie said:

My nephews all played their first game on an iPad. The eldest is now nine and he wants to play Call of Duty and Garden Warefare. M rated games are cool because of that M rating. You don't see that on your iPad.

Console games and mobile games are so different, it's like saying people are not reading books because they're all into magazines now. I believe this obsession with power and graphics are what's killing games. The bloated budgets are much too excessive. Metro: Last Light was a great game and it was made on a shoe string budget. Publishers and Devs have to manage their budgets and cut the fat. The Xbox One and PS4's PC like architecture should make things easier.

What happens if you have another alternative. A Call of Duty clone (or maybe Call of Duty itself) that can be played on a phone or a web browser. 

I mean if you can show this video to your nephews, all FPS games that cost less than $15 that are on the app store, maybe they would want to play them, kids want to shoot stuff and they are all are T or M rated.



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BenVTrigger said:
osed125 said:
BenVTrigger said:
PC is hurting consoles as well, its having a huge resurgence

The thing is that the problem goes way deeper. As Augen and I mentioned, kids today could grow up with the mentality that paying $60 for a game is unthinkable and prefer the free game, regardless of it's size and/or quality. 

There's also the problem of the costs to buy or build a PC, however like I mentioned in my post, when/if streaming becomes a viable option for developers then costs won't be that big a problem because you could play on your crappy laptop or even on your phone.


Tell that to Steam. Ive spent 100 dollars in the past 2 months on it and bought 30 games for that.

I mean my god I just got Witcher 2 for 3 bucks. I cant really justify playing consoles much now days. Its WAY more expensive than PC gaming over the course of a generation.

But like I said, there's still the boundaries of "will my PC run this game? do I need a better graphics card?". In the long run, consoles are definitely more expensive, but the initial price is higher, which throws a lot of people of. 

If that initial difference in price is broken, then PC gaming could become massive, and I mean HUGE. But until that, PC gaming will still be behind. Streaming could fix that problem; imagine paying $3 for the Witcher 2 without the need to buy a $1500 PC that can run it on max setting, hell yeah!



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FPS on a touch screen? That doesn't seen natural. The triggers simulate a gun trigger and so does a mouse click. My nephews also love Mincraft and they play that on the the Xbox 360. Mobile games are too much like an extension of Facebook games. All fads, microtransactions, and wait timers. Bleh.

All people need are cheap $15 indie games any PC can play. Most people still have a PC as well as a phone. Minecraft is a phenomenon.



osed125 said:
BenVTrigger said:
osed125 said:
BenVTrigger said:
PC is hurting consoles as well, its having a huge resurgence

The thing is that the problem goes way deeper. As Augen and I mentioned, kids today could grow up with the mentality that paying $60 for a game is unthinkable and prefer the free game, regardless of it's size and/or quality. 

There's also the problem of the costs to buy or build a PC, however like I mentioned in my post, when/if streaming becomes a viable option for developers then costs won't be that big a problem because you could play on your crappy laptop or even on your phone.


Tell that to Steam. Ive spent 100 dollars in the past 2 months on it and bought 30 games for that.

I mean my god I just got Witcher 2 for 3 bucks. I cant really justify playing consoles much now days. Its WAY more expensive than PC gaming over the course of a generation.

But like I said, there's still the boundaries of "will my PC run this game? do I need a better graphics card?". In the long run, consoles are definitely more expensive, but the initial price is higher, which throws a lot of people of. 

If that initial difference in price is broken, then PC gaming could become massive, and I mean HUGE. But until that, PC gaming will still be behind. Streaming could fix that problem; imagine paying $3 for the Witcher 2 without the need to buy a $1500 PC that can run it on max setting, hell yeah!


Tell that to Nvidia who just posted a massive 50% increase in GPU sales this quarter or Steam who added over 10 million new users in less than 2 months.

PC is hugely rising. That doesnt mean consoles are dying but it is and will impact to a degree.



HumdrumPie said:
FPS on a touch screen? That doesn't seen natural. The triggers simulate a gun trigger and so does a mouse click. My nephews also love Mincraft and they play that on the the Xbox 360. Mobile games are too much like an extension of Facebook games. All fads, microtransactions, and wait timers. Bleh.

All people need are cheap $15 indie games any PC can play. Most people still have a PC as well as a phone. Minecraft is a phenomenon.

http://liliputing.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/06/wpad_02.jpg

Problem solved. The controller + the game is still waaaay cheaper than a console + a game.

As for mobile games being an extension of Facebook games, well yeah I agree, the thing that I'm trying to point out is that the new generation will not care about microtransactions, they will not care about wait timers. Candy Crush is the big thing now, but in 2 years it will be another thing, and then another, fads all over the industry, in music, movies and books, games are no different in that regard.



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And I am saying that console games don't have to be AAA $200 million affairs at $60 a pop. Now we are seeing $15 and $20 on PSN and XBLA that make a killing. I love games like Outlast and Don't Starve. They may not be enough to make me buy a $400 console but they are fun between AAA titles. 

The AAA model of gaming is the problem. We need more smaller games that break even at less than a million. Day Z and Rust are the games setting Steam on fire, not AAA titles. These kinds of games are what consoles need. Too many AAA games chasing same dollar.



I somewhat agree.

The problem is every console gen marked a clear evolution in technology. This gen, the leap was tiny. Next gen, it might be completely imperceptible. That beeing the case, what would motivate a consumer to buy a new one?
Unless they come up with a new type of evolution or gimmick, there is no chance. It will become a niche and the masses will indeed just game on phones or tablets or something dumb like that because they cant apreciate a quality game. Some half minute game is enough for them.