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S.T.A.G.E. on 16 February 2014
Nem said:
Love the denial on some people. The X1 has the advantage of 3rd party support and its selling almost as bad as the Wii U. Great position of power that is...

The failure of the X1 can only be measured with the exit from the market. If that doesnt happen, i have no idea what Microsoft would do with it. And that exit would definitly benefit the Wii U.
But ofc, this is all conjecture at this point. If X1 stick around despite losses, the Wii U wont see any meaningful benefits.


No it isn't. It will pass the Wii U this year. Pachter predicted the Wii U will sell somewhere over three million this year but I find that hard to believe with Mariokart and Super Smash Bros coming out this year (guy is in denial). The only failure of the Xbox One is the price associated with bundling the Kinect. Once the legitimate price of the Xbox one is $399 in America without the Kinect people will start to want one. Microsoft and Sony have full command over the traditional gaming audience where Nintendo faltered a while back. The answer was third parties and Nintendo has never truly ever had any respect for their opinion judging by how they made the Wii U. Because the non-gamers aren't gravitating to the Wii U Nintendo will continue to feel the loss until they figure out who the more stable audience is and go after them or go completely casual. Trying to go in between will only confuse both unless a proper plan comes into order.



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Nem on 16 February 2014
Seece said:
Nem said:


Face the reality seece. The X1 is faltering. Weekly sales are close to Wii U levels on its first year. The system is overpriced. Cant you add two and two?

What happens now Seece? Does Microsoft sit on these faultering numbers or do they do something about it?

Scenario 1: No price drop. The system keeps sinking. The division sees minimal profits, investors not pleased.

Scenario 2: Price cuts, X1 recovers in sales, Microsoft takes losses. Investors not pleased.

Out of those 2 scenarios: Investors not pleased. Microsoft is a company that wins, big profits are a must. Solution? Sell the division. Its incredibly likely at this point. The question is if theres a buyer.

I didn't say XB1 isn't faltering, it clearly is. Unlike WIiU though there is genuine hope for it if MS take the right measures, why? Because they have a target audience and third party on board, two very very important things. 

Xbox has been going for 10 years now, original xbox saw billions in losses, early 360 days too. Why are you so obsessed with what investors think? Since when have MS listened to them? The Xbox division isn't losing billions anymore, it's making hundreds of millions. A $100 price cut isn't going to be catastrophic ...


I dont know if you noticed but the previous CEO pretty much got fired (pressured into quitting). The new one doesnt exactly have an easy job. Microsoft is a company of big wins and profits and at the moment, they cant do that. They overextended themselves to markets where they dont have key strengths.

Indeed if Microsoft just cruises at this price point it wont lose huge ammounts of money, but it will also be stuck with a struggling product in the market that is eating up resources. They took huge losses at the start cause its what they deemed necessary to penetrate the market sucessfully, wich they manged to some degree with Sony's mistakes.

Today's situation is much different. Microsoft was in a position of strength and they blew it. To make it clear to you, its comparable to what Sony did last cycle with the PS3 at the start. From here on out there those two scenarions i mentioned. Either start over, big losses so you can make better profits later on (wich was what Sony did with the PS3) or small profits and drag on into a corner until next cycle like they did with the first Xbox (wich seems to be Nintendo's strategy, minus the mass inventory defecit).



Nem on 16 February 2014
S.T.A.G.E. said:
Nem said:
Love the denial on some people. The X1 has the advantage of 3rd party support and its selling almost as bad as the Wii U. Great position of power that is...

The failure of the X1 can only be measured with the exit from the market. If that doesnt happen, i have no idea what Microsoft would do with it. And that exit would definitly benefit the Wii U.
But ofc, this is all conjecture at this point. If X1 stick around despite losses, the Wii U wont see any meaningful benefits.


No it isn't. It will pass the Wii U this year. Pachter predicted the Wii U will sell somewhere over three million this year but I find that hard to believe with Mariokart and Super Smash Bros coming out this year (guy is in denial). The only failure of the Xbox One is the price associated with bundling the Kinect. Once the legitimate price of the Xbox one is $399 in America without the Kinect people will start to want one. Microsoft and Sony have full command over the traditional gaming audience where Nintendo faltered a while back. The answer was third parties and Nintendo has never truly ever had any respect for their opinion judging by how they made the Wii U. Because the non-gamers aren't gravitating to the Wii U Nintendo will continue to feel the loss until they figure out who the more stable audience is and go after them or go completely casual. Trying to go in between will only confuse both unless a proper plan comes into order.


That post made no sense after what i said. :D I'm not sure you read it. I bolded it for you.

But, i can tell you that wont make a huge difference in europe (unbundling of the kinect). Its Sony land here. They need to be cheaper to fight the influence of the Playstation brand.



Seece on 16 February 2014
Nem said:
Seece said:
Nem said:
 


Face the reality seece. The X1 is faltering. Weekly sales are close to Wii U levels on its first year. The system is overpriced. Cant you add two and two?

What happens now Seece? Does Microsoft sit on these faultering numbers or do they do something about it?

Scenario 1: No price drop. The system keeps sinking. The division sees minimal profits, investors not pleased.

Scenario 2: Price cuts, X1 recovers in sales, Microsoft takes losses. Investors not pleased.

Out of those 2 scenarios: Investors not pleased. Microsoft is a company that wins, big profits are a must. Solution? Sell the division. Its incredibly likely at this point. The question is if theres a buyer.

I didn't say XB1 isn't faltering, it clearly is. Unlike WIiU though there is genuine hope for it if MS take the right measures, why? Because they have a target audience and third party on board, two very very important things. 

Xbox has been going for 10 years now, original xbox saw billions in losses, early 360 days too. Why are you so obsessed with what investors think? Since when have MS listened to them? The Xbox division isn't losing billions anymore, it's making hundreds of millions. A $100 price cut isn't going to be catastrophic ...


I dont know if you noticed but the previous CEO pretty much got fired (pressured into quitting). The new one doesnt exactly have an easy job. Microsoft is a company of big wins and profits and at the moment, they cant do that. They overextended themselves to markets where they dont have key strengths.

Indeed if Microsoft just cruises at this price point it wont lose huge ammounts of money, but it will also be stuck with a struggling product in the market that is eating up resources. They took huge losses at the start cause its what they deemed necessary to penetrate the market sucessfully, wich they manged to some degree with Sony's mistakes.

Today's situation is much different. Microsoft was in a position of strength and they blew it. To make it clear to you, its comparable to what Sony did last cycle with the PS3 at the start. From here on out there those two scenarions i mentioned. Either start over, big losses so you can make better profits later on (wich was what Sony did with the PS3) or small profits and drag on into a corner until next cycle like they did with the first Xbox (wich seems to be Nintendo's strategy, minus the mass inventory defecit).

Not even close. Sony lost mega bucks on PS3, and their userbase halved. The rest is speculative.

The new CEO is pro Xbox FYI.

You can try and convince yourself all you want, but if they havn't killed off Xbox yet, they're not going too in the next few years.



 

Nem on 16 February 2014
Seece said:
Nem said:
 


I dont know if you noticed but the previous CEO pretty much got fired (pressured into quitting). The new one doesnt exactly have an easy job. Microsoft is a company of big wins and profits and at the moment, they cant do that. They overextended themselves to markets where they dont have key strengths.

Indeed if Microsoft just cruises at this price point it wont lose huge ammounts of money, but it will also be stuck with a struggling product in the market that is eating up resources. They took huge losses at the start cause its what they deemed necessary to penetrate the market sucessfully, wich they manged to some degree with Sony's mistakes.

Today's situation is much different. Microsoft was in a position of strength and they blew it. To make it clear to you, its comparable to what Sony did last cycle with the PS3 at the start. From here on out there those two scenarions i mentioned. Either start over, big losses so you can make better profits later on (wich was what Sony did with the PS3) or small profits and drag on into a corner until next cycle like they did with the first Xbox (wich seems to be Nintendo's strategy, minus the mass inventory defecit).

Not even close. Sony lost mega bucks on PS3, and their userbase halved. The rest is speculative.

The new CEO is pro Xbox FYI.

You can try and convince yourself all you want, but if they havn't killed off Xbox yet, they're not going too in the next few years.


And why do you think Sony lost mega bucks? Isnt Xbox fanbase beeing reduced at this rate aswell?

CEO pro-xbox? Let me present to you Microsoft's new overseer for Devices and Studio Engineering, which encompasses all hardware, including Xbox: Stephen Elop.

Maybe you should read this: http://ca.ign.com/articles/2013/09/03/microsoft-to-acquire-nokias-smartphone-division

Thats the same guy that said he would sell Xbox according to insiders: http://www.engadget.com/2013/11/08/rumor-elop-could-sell-off-xbox-and-kill-bing/

You can consider this a run to the chop. How can you be pro-xbox and not know these things? You have to admit, things dont look good.



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Cheebee on 16 February 2014

Well, X1 is clearly tanking quite badly right now, mainly because it's way overpriced and has no games, and Wii U has been for a long while - however I doubt the former's failing will have much of an effect on Wii U.



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Seece on 16 February 2014
Nem said:
Seece said:
Nem said:
 


I dont know if you noticed but the previous CEO pretty much got fired (pressured into quitting). The new one doesnt exactly have an easy job. Microsoft is a company of big wins and profits and at the moment, they cant do that. They overextended themselves to markets where they dont have key strengths.

Indeed if Microsoft just cruises at this price point it wont lose huge ammounts of money, but it will also be stuck with a struggling product in the market that is eating up resources. They took huge losses at the start cause its what they deemed necessary to penetrate the market sucessfully, wich they manged to some degree with Sony's mistakes.

Today's situation is much different. Microsoft was in a position of strength and they blew it. To make it clear to you, its comparable to what Sony did last cycle with the PS3 at the start. From here on out there those two scenarions i mentioned. Either start over, big losses so you can make better profits later on (wich was what Sony did with the PS3) or small profits and drag on into a corner until next cycle like they did with the first Xbox (wich seems to be Nintendo's strategy, minus the mass inventory defecit).

Not even close. Sony lost mega bucks on PS3, and their userbase halved. The rest is speculative.

The new CEO is pro Xbox FYI.

You can try and convince yourself all you want, but if they havn't killed off Xbox yet, they're not going too in the next few years.


And why do you think Sony lost mega bucks? Isnt Xbox fanbase beeing reduced at this rate aswell?

CEO pro-xbox? Let me present to you Microsoft's new overseer for Devices and Studio Engineering, which encompasses all hardware, including Xbox: Stephen Elop.

Maybe you should read this: http://ca.ign.com/articles/2013/09/03/microsoft-to-acquire-nokias-smartphone-division

Thats the same guy that said he would sell Xbox according to insiders: http://www.engadget.com/2013/11/08/rumor-elop-could-sell-off-xbox-and-kill-bing/

You can consider this a run to the chop. How can you be pro-xbox and not know these things? You have to admit, things dont look good.

Because they lost like $450 on every PS3 sold or something ridiculous?? That's why ...

Steven Elop will not get to make big decisions like killing off Xbox. I don't have to admit it at all, because right now it's all speculation.



 

Multishanks on 16 February 2014

The PC will probably gain more support if anything. The Wii U may gain more visibiity due to a less crowded market but it won't directly recieved the xbox's support.

Either way though people who enjoy games on the ps4/xb1 really should not want either to go away. Last genrration and this generation thus far is proving that in order to get the type of sales they need, they need both install bases.

Look at the ps2 gen's software sales. Even though ps2 dominated in the sixth generation, the seventh generation game sales have far surpassed sales in the sixth.

With software sales trending downward across the industry - save for a couple of exceptions - this doesn't bode well for 3rd parties.



DougLord on 16 February 2014

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Hurr1cane on 16 February 2014

I like how we are 3 months into this gen and people are calling the One a failure, let's give it some time before all these ridiculous assumptions.