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aryu on 02 February 2014
garretslarrity said:
aryu said:
garretslarrity said:
aryu said:
garretslarrity said:
aryu said:
I think it's unfair to compare 2 Pokemon games to a game such as Halo. Some people buy both versions of Pokemon but will only buy one copy of Halo.


Sure, some people do.  Though I think that it's fair to say that there are so few of those people that when we're talking sales numbers, they're neglibile.  You mentioned in a later post how someone can buy both games out of confusion, I bet this happened a lot in the first generation, but now people are more familiar with how things work around here, and also the audien  ce is more mature, and therefore knowledgeable, than it was in 1998.

You do make a good point but what about parents who were never gamers? You can't just assume people would be familiar with how things work. Not everyone has played Pokemon so the mistakes made in gen 1 are likely to happen in any gen. Also, the game wants you to collect pokemon so people are sometimes inclined to buy both and grab all the legendaries. I don't think that it's negligible as you state.

I acknowledged that there are of course some people who buy both games.  I'm starting to think that you and I have different definitions of the word "neglibible."  So let's put connotation aside, and let me ask you this; Do you think the sales of Pokemon XY will be increased by over 1 million from people buying both versions?

Probably. Negligible is anything under 30k for me. Regardless this is all just speculation. We can't ignore the fact that there are people who buy both versions of the game.

Also you keep spelling negligible wrong.

Alright I fixed the spelling errors.  Anyway, I was right about us having different definitions of "negligible."  <-I got it right this time!  You say anything under 30k, I would say anything under 150k.  For Pokemon XY, that's less than 1%.  Of course it can be noticed, but not a game changer.  Pun intended.  Now I don't see how there could be more than a million people who buy both versions.  That's almost 10% of of the buyers.  Could you explain how you think this could be the case?

Does the word 'probably' mean anything to you? It just means that its possible. There's a chance. I didn't say that I feel that a million people will buy both versions. I think it's more along the lines of 100-250k. Also pokemon has a very huge fanbase so it wouldn't be out the question for the loyal fans to buy both versions.



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aryu on 02 February 2014
sc94597 said:
aryu said:
I think it's unfair to compare 2 Pokemon games to a game such as Halo. Some people buy both versions of Pokemon but will only buy one copy of Halo.

Like Pokemon XY, Halo 4 has different SKU's.

http://www.vg247.com/2013/08/26/halo-4-game-of-the-year-edition-inbound-rumour/

 

 

 


But it's just one game. Some games have special editions/collectors edition and so on but it doesn't really matter since you no matter what you get, its the same copy of the game as someone who bought the standard edition. Pokemon X and Y can be considered as two separate games. There are significant differences!



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sc94597 on 02 February 2014
aryu said:
sc94597 said:
aryu said:
I think it's unfair to compare 2 Pokemon games to a game such as Halo. Some people buy both versions of Pokemon but will only buy one copy of Halo.

Like Pokemon XY, Halo 4 has different SKU's.

http://www.vg247.com/2013/08/26/halo-4-game-of-the-year-edition-inbound-rumour/

 

 

 


But it's just one game. Some games have special editions/collectors edition and so on but it doesn't really matter since you no matter what you get, its the same copy of the game as someone who bought the standard edition. Pokemon X and Y can be considered as two separate games. There are significant differences!

No there aren't. All content can be obtained in both games. You can have all the same pokemon in both games (through trading.) You can go to the same places in both games. There is as much of a difference in content as a GOTY edition from an original edition of any other game, and the difference is only an SKU number. 



aryu on 02 February 2014
sc94597 said:
aryu said:
sc94597 said:
aryu said:
I think it's unfair to compare 2 Pokemon games to a game such as Halo. Some people buy both versions of Pokemon but will only buy one copy of Halo.

Like Pokemon XY, Halo 4 has different SKU's.

http://www.vg247.com/2013/08/26/halo-4-game-of-the-year-edition-inbound-rumour/

 

 

 


But it's just one game. Some games have special editions/collectors edition and so on but it doesn't really matter since you no matter what you get, its the same copy of the game as someone who bought the standard edition. Pokemon X and Y can be considered as two separate games. There are significant differences!

No there aren't. All content can be obtained in both games. You can have all the same pokemon in both games (through trading.) You can go to the same places in both games. There is as much of a difference in content as a GOTY edition from an original edition of any other game, and the difference is only an SKU number. 


mm yes there are! Firstly, the story of the two differs according to the XY legendaries. Also certain pokemon/mega stone are only obtainable in one game. Sure you can get some of the pokemon via trading but what about the stones? Will someone willingly give away a mega stone? What about pokemon which use special items via trade to evolve? A GOTY game only has extra DLC, the game is the same, all someone has to do is buy the DLC online!

Also do you consider Yellow/Crystal sepearate games to their original counterparts? Cause I do! Yellow is the only game in the original triad in which you can obtain all three of the original starters and where you have a pokemon follow you.



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sc94597 on 02 February 2014
aryu said:
sc94597 said:
aryu said:
sc94597 said:
aryu said:
I think it's unfair to compare 2 Pokemon games to a game such as Halo. Some people buy both versions of Pokemon but will only buy one copy of Halo.

Like Pokemon XY, Halo 4 has different SKU's.

http://www.vg247.com/2013/08/26/halo-4-game-of-the-year-edition-inbound-rumour/

 

 

 


But it's just one game. Some games have special editions/collectors edition and so on but it doesn't really matter since you no matter what you get, its the same copy of the game as someone who bought the standard edition. Pokemon X and Y can be considered as two separate games. There are significant differences!

No there aren't. All content can be obtained in both games. You can have all the same pokemon in both games (through trading.) You can go to the same places in both games. There is as much of a difference in content as a GOTY edition from an original edition of any other game, and the difference is only an SKU number. 


mm yes there are! Firstly, the story of the two differs according to the XY legendaries. Also certain pokemon/mega stone are only obtainable in one game. Sure you can get some of the pokemon via trading but what about the stones?1. Will someone willingly give away a mega stone? What about pokemon which use special items via trade to evolve? A GOTY game only has extra DLC, the game is the same, 3. all someone has to do is buy the DLC online!

4. Also do you consider Yellow/Crystal sepearate games to their original counterparts? Cause I do! Yellow is the only game in the original triad in which you can obtain all three of the original starters and where you have a pokemon follow you.

1. You can trade pokemon holding items. People trade pokemon holding mega-stones for other pokemon holding mega-stones. 2. What about them? This can be easily done by trading the same pokemon holding the item, both people mutually get the evolution. If the pokemon is exclusive to the version, then trade and trade back, or trade a pokemon that somebody else wants that evolves with an item for one you want that evolves by an item. 3. All somebody has to do is trade and they have the same content. 4. The third version of each pokemon series is always considered a separate game. It has additional (and different) content that can't be obtained in previous games, content missing that was in the previous games. 5. Correction, in which you can obtain all three of the original starters without trading. 

The only point is the storyline difference, but it is so miniscule that it should matter very little. The events are practically the same. It is like saying Halo 4 LE is a different game from Halo 4 because you can get an exclusive weapon skin. 



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aryu on 02 February 2014
sc94597 said:
aryu said:
sc94597 said:
aryu said:
sc94597 said:
aryu said:
I think it's unfair to compare 2 Pokemon games to a game such as Halo. Some people buy both versions of Pokemon but will only buy one copy of Halo.

Like Pokemon XY, Halo 4 has different SKU's.

http://www.vg247.com/2013/08/26/halo-4-game-of-the-year-edition-inbound-rumour/

 

 

 


But it's just one game. Some games have special editions/collectors edition and so on but it doesn't really matter since you no matter what you get, its the same copy of the game as someone who bought the standard edition. Pokemon X and Y can be considered as two separate games. There are significant differences!

No there aren't. All content can be obtained in both games. You can have all the same pokemon in both games (through trading.) You can go to the same places in both games. There is as much of a difference in content as a GOTY edition from an original edition of any other game, and the difference is only an SKU number. 


mm yes there are! Firstly, the story of the two differs according to the XY legendaries. Also certain pokemon/mega stone are only obtainable in one game. Sure you can get some of the pokemon via trading but what about the stones?1. Will someone willingly give away a mega stone? What about pokemon which use special items via trade to evolve? A GOTY game only has extra DLC, the game is the same, 3. all someone has to do is buy the DLC online!

4. Also do you consider Yellow/Crystal sepearate games to their original counterparts? Cause I do! Yellow is the only game in the original triad in which you can obtain all three of the original starters and where you have a pokemon follow you.

1. You can trade pokemon holding items. People trade pokemon holding mega-stones for other pokemon holding mega-stones.(Who will give these up? You're making an assumption that someone is kind enough to give you their megastones, how will you go about obtaining all of them? Are you telling me you wholeheatedily trust a stranger with a megastone? (I'm making the assumption that your friends/families do not own the game)) 2. What about them? This can be easily done by trading the same pokemon holding the item, both people mutually get the evolution. If the pokemon is exclusive to the version, then trade and trade back, or trade a pokemon that somebody else wants that evolves with an item for one you want that evolves by an item. (You are assuming that someone is willing to give up a pokemon that you want even if it is Arceus) 3. All somebody has to do is trade and they have the same content (Again you are making the assumption that someone is willing to trade the pokemon you want!). 4. The third version of each pokemon series is always considered a separate game. It has additional (and different) content that can't be obtained in previous games, content missing that was in the previous games. 5. Correction, in which you can obtain all three of the original starters without trading. 

The only point is the storyline difference, but it is so miniscule that it should matter very little. The events are practically the same. It is like saying Halo 4 LE is a different game from Halo 4 because you can get an exclusive weapon skin. 

Pokemon is about collecting. Do you not understand that? You cannot just purchase which pokemon you want like you can with DLC. You've also completely missed the point about mega stones. I doubt anyone would be willing to give those up. Pokemon also does not have voice chat when trading with strangers so explain how both trainers will be able to get the pokemons they want and know that the other person wants the pokemon back? You are making a lot of assumptions in your post. You don't understand that pokemon X and Y are two separate games as in one is marketed  as Pokemon X and the other is marketed as Pokemon Y. It is not the same as Halo 4 and Halo 4 LE. You get the base game regardless. With pokemon, there are exclusive items obtainable in one game that are not obtainable in another.

Let us assume that we live in a country with no internet. Regardless of whether I buy Halo 4 or Halo 4 LE, I still get the base games as I can't download the DLC. With Pokemon, if I just buy X, I can only get the X exclusive pokemon and items and to be able to obtain the other remaining pokemons, I am forced into purchasing Pokemon Y.



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torok on 02 February 2014

No, next GTA will. GTA V will probably end at more than 20M, maybe even breaking GTA: SA mark. Gran Turismo is another possibility if it releases early and sells like GT3. CoD could do it to.

Anyway, the most likely is GTA VI. GTA V, if was on gen 8 and counted for this, would have done it easily, it did what X/Y have now in just 2 weeks on PS3.



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sc94597 on 02 February 2014
aryu said:
sc94597 said:
aryu said:
sc94597 said:
aryu said:
sc94597 said:
aryu said:
I think it's unfair to compare 2 Pokemon games to a game such as Halo. Some people buy both versions of Pokemon but will only buy one copy of Halo.

Like Pokemon XY, Halo 4 has different SKU's.

http://www.vg247.com/2013/08/26/halo-4-game-of-the-year-edition-inbound-rumour/

 

 

 


But it's just one game. Some games have special editions/collectors edition and so on but it doesn't really matter since you no matter what you get, its the same copy of the game as someone who bought the standard edition. Pokemon X and Y can be considered as two separate games. There are significant differences!

No there aren't. All content can be obtained in both games. You can have all the same pokemon in both games (through trading.) You can go to the same places in both games. There is as much of a difference in content as a GOTY edition from an original edition of any other game, and the difference is only an SKU number. 


mm yes there are! Firstly, the story of the two differs according to the XY legendaries. Also certain pokemon/mega stone are only obtainable in one game. Sure you can get some of the pokemon via trading but what about the stones?1. Will someone willingly give away a mega stone? What about pokemon which use special items via trade to evolve? A GOTY game only has extra DLC, the game is the same, 3. all someone has to do is buy the DLC online!

4. Also do you consider Yellow/Crystal sepearate games to their original counterparts? Cause I do! Yellow is the only game in the original triad in which you can obtain all three of the original starters and where you have a pokemon follow you.

1. You can trade pokemon holding items. People trade pokemon holding mega-stones for other pokemon holding mega-stones.(Who will give these up? You're making an assumption that someone is kind enough to give you their megastones, how will you go about obtaining all of them? Are you telling me you wholeheatedily trust a stranger with a megastone? (I'm making the assumption that your friends/families do not own the game)) 2. What about them? This can be easily done by trading the same pokemon holding the item, both people mutually get the evolution. If the pokemon is exclusive to the version, then trade and trade back, or trade a pokemon that somebody else wants that evolves with an item for one you want that evolves by an item. (You are assuming that someone is willing to give up a pokemon that you want even if it is Arceus) 3. All somebody has to do is trade and they have the same content (Again you are making the assumption that someone is willing to trade the pokemon you want!). 4. The third version of each pokemon series is always considered a separate game. It has additional (and different) content that can't be obtained in previous games, content missing that was in the previous games. 5. Correction, in which you can obtain all three of the original starters without trading. 

The only point is the storyline difference, but it is so miniscule that it should matter very little. The events are practically the same. It is like saying Halo 4 LE is a different game from Halo 4 because you can get an exclusive weapon skin. 

Pokemon is about collecting. Do you not understand that? You cannot just purchase which pokemon you want like you can with DLC. You've also completely missed the point about mega stones. 1. I doubt anyone would be willing to give those up. Pokemon also does not have voice chat when trading with strangers so explain 2. how both trainers will be able to get the pokemons they want and know that the other person wants the pokemon back? You are making a lot of assumptions in your post. 3. You don't understand that pokemon X and Y are two separate games as in one is marketed  as Pokemon X and the other is marketed as Pokemon Y. 4. It is not the same as Halo 4 and Halo 4 LE. You get the base game regardless. With pokemon, there are exclusive items obtainable in one game that are not obtainable in another.

Let us assume that we live in a country with no internet. Regardless of whether I buy Halo 4 or Halo 4 LE, I still get the base games as I can't download the DLC. With Pokemon, if I just buy X, I can only get the X exclusive pokemon and items and to be able to obtain the other remaining pokemons, I am forced into purchasing Pokemon Y.

Pokemon is not about collecting for everyone. For some people it's about battling. For others it's about raising their favorites. 1. You obviously haven't looked at a Pokemon trading board. Just take a look at smogon. There are countless threads where people trade their megastones and even trade megastones for pokemon that don't have them. 2. Trading isn't exclusive to the GTS. People make deals online or with their friends and trade through friend lists. This has been true since the DS era. 3. Yet they share all the same advertisments. 4. In Halo 4 LE you get exclusive items (skins) that you can't get in the other. 

People traded pokemon before the internet. That was the only way you could get a full pokedex, and people got full pokedexes. There is something called wireless connectivity that requires no internet service whatsoever. But in your country of no internet, one person are unable to play multiplayer Halo 4, and only Halo 4 LE gets the DLC.  



Zekkyou on 02 February 2014

GTA6 could definitely pull it off. GTA5 only came out a few months ago and the PS3 version alone is already on track to pass Pokemon Diamond/Pearl. Including the 360 version GTAV's LT sales will likely end up making it the most popular game of the 7th generation (excluding Wii Sport of course). That's all not even counting digital sales, which is likely a few million more :P



aryu on 02 February 2014
sc94597 said:
aryu said:
sc94597 said:
aryu said:
sc94597 said:
aryu said:
sc94597 said:
aryu said:
I think it's unfair to compare 2 Pokemon games to a game such as Halo. Some people buy both versions of Pokemon but will only buy one copy of Halo.

Like Pokemon XY, Halo 4 has different SKU's.

http://www.vg247.com/2013/08/26/halo-4-game-of-the-year-edition-inbound-rumour/

 

 

 


But it's just one game. Some games have special editions/collectors edition and so on but it doesn't really matter since you no matter what you get, its the same copy of the game as someone who bought the standard edition. Pokemon X and Y can be considered as two separate games. There are significant differences!

No there aren't. All content can be obtained in both games. You can have all the same pokemon in both games (through trading.) You can go to the same places in both games. There is as much of a difference in content as a GOTY edition from an original edition of any other game, and the difference is only an SKU number. 


mm yes there are! Firstly, the story of the two differs according to the XY legendaries. Also certain pokemon/mega stone are only obtainable in one game. Sure you can get some of the pokemon via trading but what about the stones?1. Will someone willingly give away a mega stone? What about pokemon which use special items via trade to evolve? A GOTY game only has extra DLC, the game is the same, 3. all someone has to do is buy the DLC online!

4. Also do you consider Yellow/Crystal sepearate games to their original counterparts? Cause I do! Yellow is the only game in the original triad in which you can obtain all three of the original starters and where you have a pokemon follow you.

1. You can trade pokemon holding items. People trade pokemon holding mega-stones for other pokemon holding mega-stones.(Who will give these up? You're making an assumption that someone is kind enough to give you their megastones, how will you go about obtaining all of them? Are you telling me you wholeheatedily trust a stranger with a megastone? (I'm making the assumption that your friends/families do not own the game)) 2. What about them? This can be easily done by trading the same pokemon holding the item, both people mutually get the evolution. If the pokemon is exclusive to the version, then trade and trade back, or trade a pokemon that somebody else wants that evolves with an item for one you want that evolves by an item. (You are assuming that someone is willing to give up a pokemon that you want even if it is Arceus) 3. All somebody has to do is trade and they have the same content (Again you are making the assumption that someone is willing to trade the pokemon you want!). 4. The third version of each pokemon series is always considered a separate game. It has additional (and different) content that can't be obtained in previous games, content missing that was in the previous games. 5. Correction, in which you can obtain all three of the original starters without trading. 

The only point is the storyline difference, but it is so miniscule that it should matter very little. The events are practically the same. It is like saying Halo 4 LE is a different game from Halo 4 because you can get an exclusive weapon skin. 

Pokemon is about collecting. Do you not understand that? You cannot just purchase which pokemon you want like you can with DLC. You've also completely missed the point about mega stones. 1. I doubt anyone would be willing to give those up. Pokemon also does not have voice chat when trading with strangers so explain 2. how both trainers will be able to get the pokemons they want and know that the other person wants the pokemon back? You are making a lot of assumptions in your post. 3. You don't understand that pokemon X and Y are two separate games as in one is marketed  as Pokemon X and the other is marketed as Pokemon Y. 4. It is not the same as Halo 4 and Halo 4 LE. You get the base game regardless. With pokemon, there are exclusive items obtainable in one game that are not obtainable in another.

Let us assume that we live in a country with no internet. Regardless of whether I buy Halo 4 or Halo 4 LE, I still get the base games as I can't download the DLC. With Pokemon, if I just buy X, I can only get the X exclusive pokemon and items and to be able to obtain the other remaining pokemons, I am forced into purchasing Pokemon Y.

Pokemon is not about collecting for everyone. For some people it's about battling. For others it's about raising their favorites. 1. You obviously haven't looked at a Pokemon trading board. Just take a look at smogon. There are countless threads where people trade their megastones and even trade megastones for pokemon that don't have them. 2. Trading isn't exclusive to the GTS. People make deals online or with their friends and trade through friend lists. This has been true since the DS era. 3. Yet they share all the same advertisments. 4. In Halo 4 LE you get exclusive items (skins) that you can't get in the other. 

People traded pokemon before the internet. That was the only way you could get a full pokedex, and people got full pokedexes. There is something called wireless connectivity that requires no internet service whatsoever. But in your country of no internet, one person are unable to play multiplayer Halo 4, and only Halo 4 LE gets the DLC.  

So why are Halo 4 and Halo 4 LE not marketed as two different games? Why are Pokemon X/Y marketed as two separate games? My brother decided to buy Pokemon X because I had Y. Why did he not just buy Y like me? It's because there are exclusives that you get on one that you wouldn't get on the other without trading! You keep going on about trading but what if someone wanted to catch it for themselves with their own OT ID and Name? We'll assume that you can't breed the pokemon.

I have traded on Pokemon X/Y countless times. The last time I played X/Y was when a Link Between Worlds was released.

Going back to Halo4, if someone wanted the full package, they would buy the LE not the standard copy while on Pokemon you have to buy both.



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