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SocialistSlayer said:
the2real4mafol said:
badgenome said:
the2real4mafol said:

What are the other legitimate functions of government according to you?

I think they all pretty much boil down to protecting rights.

Fair enough but for me. It's 3 things. Law and order (which includes protecting rights), a welfare state (especially free healthcare and education) and conserving landmarks and the natural environment.

I know it's a bit off topic but i was just interested.  

i dont think those words mean what you think they mean. those are contridictory views. you cant support protecting property rights while simultaniously supporting a welfare state, which requires the confiscation and redistrubtion of somebodies property.

your just full of contridictions and hypocracy today, arent you.

But you love welfare for corporations. So you contradict yourself. Socialism for corporations and the top is used way more then the bottom. So you must be against this, if not your the Hypocrate that contradicts himself, aren't you?

So you think that companies should pay  and build every road they use, the water that is delivered to their plant should all be paid by them, All the stop lights, the protection from cops and our military should also be paid for and if not, you are a socialist. So much for the socialist slayer, you don't even understand the word or go by what you preach.

Seems you love the military, thats a socialism program we all pay for, So why don't pay for your own army, Why do you need our money? Your posts are full of contradictions. So much for your comment, SOCIALIST>

Also all the polution that effects everyone else will have to be paid for. I can go on and on, yet you most likely don't like taxes but want to use all these things, Who's the welfare queen now?

There are many different types of socialism, Ok I'm done again, just had to laugh really hard.



kowenicki said:
Leadified said:
SlayerRondo said:
She was violating the rights of the owners of the company as she was disrupting their business and they have every right to bar her from their property.


Should Sony or Microsoft ban me from the internet because I am "disrupting" their business by posting negative comments about them and their consoles? Even if this lady is crazy, in this case she was doing nothing illegal.


I'm not defending the actions here... but in what way is that remotely similar. 

MS and Sony dont own the internet.

And you dont have to do something illegal to be banned from somewher.e  Go into wal mart and shout loudly that it is shit, the staff are morons and the customers are dicks.  You will be banned from wal mart... rightly so.

If you owned a bsiness and someone was disrupting it, then you would ban them too.

 

 


However this is not a person going into wal-mart, this would be like them standing accross the street, which is completely legal.



DJEVOLVE said:
SocialistSlayer said:
the2real4mafol said:
badgenome said:
the2real4mafol said:

What are the other legitimate functions of government according to you?

I think they all pretty much boil down to protecting rights.

Fair enough but for me. It's 3 things. Law and order (which includes protecting rights), a welfare state (especially free healthcare and education) and conserving landmarks and the natural environment.

I know it's a bit off topic but i was just interested.  

i dont think those words mean what you think they mean. those are contridictory views. you cant support protecting property rights while simultaniously supporting a welfare state, which requires the confiscation and redistrubtion of somebodies property.

youre just full of contridictions and hypocracy today, arent you.

But you love welfare for corporations. So you contradict yourself. Socialism for corporations and the top is used way more then the bottom. So you must be against this, if not your the Hypocrate that contradicts himself, aren't you?

straw man argument. the F I do. i want the federal government to get out of bed with coporations, unions, what have you. i dont want the government proping up failed businesses, and picking winners and losers (rather poorly i might add). 

So you think that companies should pay  and build every road they use, Should you pay for the roads you use? answer to both questions is yes, both you do and the companies. furthermore roads are built by and paid for by the states (mostly), which the states are empowered to do

.the water that is delivered to their plant should all be paid by them, they pay their own water bills, do they not?

All the stop lights, the protection from cops and our military should also be paid for and if not. Protecting peoples, rights (to include property), is one of the few legitimate functions of the federal government., you are a socialist. So much for the socialist slayer, you don't even understand the word or go by what you preach.

nice try, thanks for playing spaceguy



 

SlayerRondo said:
Leadified said:
SlayerRondo said:
She was violating the rights of the owners of the company as she was disrupting their business and they have every right to bar her from their property.


Should Sony or Microsoft ban me from the internet because I am "disrupting" their business by posting negative comments about them and their consoles? Even if this lady is crazy, in this case she was doing nothing illegal.

No they should not be able to ban you fron the internet because they don't own the internet. They should be allowed to ban you from their websites if you are posting negative comments about them. She may be doing nothing illegal but neither did the company in banning her from their property. 

The problem is not if it is legal or not, which is it. It's that 1. You suddenly find yourself banned from half of the city which contains required foods and services. 2. You're not given any indication where you're banned from. 3. You have very little power in debating against why you are banned until further legal action which takes a while.

That is a major problem especially considering how powerful private property is and how much power the owner has. Theorectically speaking Microsoft and Sony could ban you for any legal reason from any form of their property, which they won't unless you do something crazy but what if you so happen to be a not so lucky unpopular corporation?



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SocialistSlayer said:
the2real4mafol said:
badgenome said:
the2real4mafol said:

What are the other legitimate functions of government according to you?

I think they all pretty much boil down to protecting rights.

Fair enough but for me. It's 3 things. Law and order (which includes protecting rights), a welfare state (especially free healthcare and education) and conserving landmarks and the natural environment.

I know it's a bit off topic but i was just interested.  

i dont think those words mean what you think they mean. those are contridictory views. you cant support protecting property rights while simultaniously supporting a welfare state, which requires the confiscation and redistrubtion of somebodies property.

your just full of contridictions and hypocracy today, arent you.


And you can't support protecting property rights and freedom of speech, go figure.



Leadified said:
SocialistSlayer said:
the2real4mafol said:
badgenome said:
the2real4mafol said:

What are the other legitimate functions of government according to you?

I think they all pretty much boil down to protecting rights.

Fair enough but for me. It's 3 things. Law and order (which includes protecting rights), a welfare state (especially free healthcare and education) and conserving landmarks and the natural environment.

I know it's a bit off topic but i was just interested.  

i dont think those words mean what you think they mean. those are contridictory views. you cant support protecting property rights while simultaniously supporting a welfare state, which requires the confiscation and redistrubtion of somebodies property.

your just full of contridictions and hypocracy today, arent you.


And you can't support protecting property rights and freedom of speech, go figure.


huh? could you point me to where i support the restriction of free speech?



 

SocialistSlayer said:
Leadified said:
SocialistSlayer said:
the2real4mafol said:
badgenome said:
the2real4mafol said:

What are the other legitimate functions of government according to you?

I think they all pretty much boil down to protecting rights.

Fair enough but for me. It's 3 things. Law and order (which includes protecting rights), a welfare state (especially free healthcare and education) and conserving landmarks and the natural environment.

I know it's a bit off topic but i was just interested.  

i dont think those words mean what you think they mean. those are contridictory views. you cant support protecting property rights while simultaniously supporting a welfare state, which requires the confiscation and redistrubtion of somebodies property.

your just full of contridictions and hypocracy today, arent you.


And you can't support protecting property rights and freedom of speech, go figure.


huh? could you point me to where i support the restriction of free speech?

"Protecting peoples, rights (to include property), is one of the few legitimate functions of the federal government"

Supporting private property and freedom of speech is a contradiction. You either have one, the other or you violate both.



Leadified said:
SocialistSlayer said:
Leadified said:
SocialistSlayer said:
the2real4mafol said:
badgenome said:
the2real4mafol said:

What are the other legitimate functions of government according to you?

I think they all pretty much boil down to protecting rights.

Fair enough but for me. It's 3 things. Law and order (which includes protecting rights), a welfare state (especially free healthcare and education) and conserving landmarks and the natural environment.

I know it's a bit off topic but i was just interested.  

i dont think those words mean what you think they mean. those are contridictory views. you cant support protecting property rights while simultaniously supporting a welfare state, which requires the confiscation and redistrubtion of somebodies property.

your just full of contridictions and hypocracy today, arent you.


And you can't support protecting property rights and freedom of speech, go figure.


huh? could you point me to where i support the restriction of free speech?

"Protecting peoples, rights (to include property), is one of the few legitimate functions of the federal government"

Supporting private property and freedom of speech is a contradiction. You either have one, the other or you violate both.

how does property rights infringe on peoples free speech?



 

SocialistSlayer said:
Leadified said:
SocialistSlayer said:
Leadified said:


And you can't support protecting property rights and freedom of speech, go figure.


huh? could you point me to where i support the restriction of free speech?

"Protecting peoples, rights (to include property), is one of the few legitimate functions of the federal government"

Supporting private property and freedom of speech is a contradiction. You either have one, the other or you violate both.

how does property rights infringe on peoples free speech?

Free speech under the First Amendment, you do not have any right to go inside a resturant for example and to defame the place and to insult the staff as such, they can kick you out. But they are entitled to kick you out for pretty much any reason if they want you because it is their property and in return you can do the same. On the other hand if you want maximum freedom of speech then you have to curtail and restrict property rights so bascially people can say whatever they want where ever they want and no one can do anything about it, except of course enforce your own right to freedom of speech. Or you could violate both of them and say people can say mostly what they want with exceptions and people have all the rights to their property with exceptions.

In the 1976 case of Hudgens v. National Labor Relations Board, the US Supreme Court did rule that the First Amendment does not apply to private property. Some state constitutions do give free speech a priority over private property but most do not.