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Forums - Gaming - Former Sony Dev: Wii Was 100M Fad & May Not Be Repeated, Nintendo Have Done S**t Job Promoting Wii U

Figgycal on 27 January 2014
Mummelmann said:
supernihilist said:
KylieDog said:
supernihilist said:

Fact is PS2 to PS3 drop is similar in userbase to Wii  to WiiU


90m down from 150m is around 2 thirds.   The WiiU is not seling 60m consoles which you are suggesting.


Anyway, everything in OP is true.  Butthurt by some people not going to change this and nor is bringing up the Vita or any other console.


PS2 to PS3 70M users lost

Wii to WiiU 80M users lost (suposing WiiU only sell 25M which is just an assumption)

Do i have to give you the dictionary definition of similar dude....dont let the bias blind you.


25% is not similar to 66% other than both being numbers. You're being absolutely ridiculous.

PS3 will end up around 90 million lifetime versus PS2's 155-ish million while the Wii U is headed for 25 million territory compared to 103-105 million, this is like saying that a man that is 2'6" tall is of similar height as a guy who is 6'.

Plus he's ignoring the PS2 > 360 shift that happened. While The Wii has no such shift.



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Soundwave on 27 January 2014

People don't like the word "fad", but they're just arguing semantics. The point of what he's saying is pretty much the truth.

The Spice Girls had multiple platinum albums over multiple years, but you could still say they were a fad because if they released a new album today it would maybe do 1/10th of the sales. 



BeElite on 27 January 2014
Corvo said:
BeElite said:


Its not a excuse, its a explenation.


Still, you couldn't give me a proper anwer. Yes it is an excuse, the bias is strong with you...


Already have in previous post, losing half in not the same as losing 4/5th of your sales.  Im not the one pretanding doing 1/5th the sale of its predecessor is the same as doing half.  Keep dreaming wiiu will reach 64 numbers,  its tracking below the GC is it not.



Corvo on 27 January 2014
BeElite said:
supernihilist said:

so losing 70M PS2 users in the transition to PS3 is not similar to losing 80M customers from Wii to WiiU?

sory dude youre the only fool here

Wiiu is looking to lose 80% of the wii user base.  You are trying depertaly to make 1/5th the same as half.. 

Lmao, you missed the point again, lack of ability of interpretation.... He tried to explain that the idea of fad can be applied on PS2-PS3 too... For now, you can't say with 100% certainly that the Wii U will follow this road... we can't call these kind of predictions yet ( you don't know what Nintendo will do),anyway still misses the point of discussion. The huge dropd in the number of people in ps2-ps3 shows the same example on Wii-WiiU, it is not about the REAL numbers, it is about the IDEA of huge drops? Got it now? Or do I have to draw again?



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bucky1965 on 27 January 2014
S.T.A.G.E. said:
bucky1965 said:
I agree with the retail part of his comments. But not the fad part. Casual gamers or anyone else isn't going to buy a new product every time a new one launches. Wii-Fit is more of an app. The casual crowd is the hardest group to market to.



They are but if you simplify things, they aren't. Most games today aren't simplified. The Wii made it simple so everyone could enjoy it and thats why it sold like gangbusters. The problem with the Wii is that it went so casual that it alienated the core gamers who might have been interested in the Wii.

I completely agree with what your saying. As for being a fad, his analogy doesn't work, all consoles would have to be a fad. In decline? That's a different argument since tech is always changing now that you can game on pretty much anything with a screen, there's a lot more choices now.



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Pavolink on 27 January 2014

The only thing I don't agree is the part were he said the the Wii fad won't be repeated. I agree that nobody in the industry is capable of creating a console like the Wii, except Nintendo, but I'm confident it won't happen with the actual management.



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BeElite on 27 January 2014
Corvo said:
BeElite said:
supernihilist said:

so losing 70M PS2 users in the transition to PS3 is not similar to losing 80M customers from Wii to WiiU?

sory dude youre the only fool here

Wiiu is looking to lose 80% of the wii user base.  You are trying depertaly to make 1/5th the same as half.. 

Lmao, you missed the point again, lack of ability of interpretation.... He tried to explain that the idea of fad can be applied on PS2-PS3 too... For now, you can't say with 100% certainly that the Wii U will follow this road... we can't call these kind of predictions yet ( you don't know what Nintendo will do),anyway still misses the point of discussion. The huge dropd in the number of people in ps2-ps3 shows the same example on Wii-WiiU, it is not about the REAL numbers, it is about the IDEA of huge drops? Got it now? Or do I have to draw again?


No it does not show the same example, you wishing it does does not make it so.  The drops are nowhere near similar enough for them to be classifed as the same, basic math shows that.



RazorDragon on 27 January 2014
KylieDog said:

I was using fractions, and lol at that last comment. 

Plus you're using lifetime figures of PS2 vs current PS3 figures.  PS2 was at ~110m when PS3 launched, that is the figure you should be using for a fair comparison, not 150m.  So the difference would be 30m only.

Your entire argument is flawed and biased.


The other guy is making assumptions on Wii U sales figure, so using lifetime sales of PS2 is just right. Wii hasn't finished selling yet, it's not like we can really compare those sales.



Corvo on 27 January 2014
BeElite said:
Corvo said:
BeElite said:
supernihilist said:

so losing 70M PS2 users in the transition to PS3 is not similar to losing 80M customers from Wii to WiiU?

sory dude youre the only fool here

Wiiu is looking to lose 80% of the wii user base.  You are trying depertaly to make 1/5th the same as half.. 

Lmao, you missed the point again, lack of ability of interpretation.... He tried to explain that the idea of fad can be applied on PS2-PS3 too... For now, you can't say with 100% certainly that the Wii U will follow this road... we can't call these kind of predictions yet ( you don't know what Nintendo will do),anyway still misses the point of discussion. The huge dropd in the number of people in ps2-ps3 shows the same example on Wii-WiiU, it is not about the REAL numbers, it is about the IDEA of huge drops? Got it now? Or do I have to draw again?


No it does not show the same example, you wishing it does does not make it so.  The drops are nowhere near similar enough for them to be classifed as the same, basic math shows that.


Well, I'm done, I wrote in caps hoping you could understand the point. Again, it is not about the REAL numbers, it is about the IDEA of huge drops, there is nothing to do with math, it is the idea....gosh so much lack of interpretation.... I'm really done here



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FlamingWeazel on 27 January 2014

lol at people only focusing on the fact it is a FORMER sony developer, attack his points not be so defensive. Fact is he is right, and wii-u's struggles only prove that.