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4 years ago Today the supreme court had a 5 to 4 decision, all Republican appointed judges votes yes, all Democratic appointed judges voted no. Those 5 supreme court justices put on by Republican presidents voted that corporations are people, allowing corporations to essentially spend as much money on elections as they want. Meaning they can buy Congressmen. So don't tell me they are all the same. The supreme court votes 5 to 4 all the time. With the Republican appointed judges voting against the people and for the corporations over and over.



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You say that Republicians voted against the people, while the democrats voted for the people. I think you need to educate yourself on why it was really voted in. They voted in because companies did behind the door money which made the law pointless. There was many loopholes with it. It was generally ignored by democrats and republicans. Have you done any research on the problems of the law?



"Excuse me sir, I see you have a weapon. Why don't you put it down and let's settle this like gentlemen"  ~ max

did congress make a law that makes corporations ppl? They made laws for woman and non europeans.



snyps said:
did congress make a law that makes corporations ppl? They made laws for woman and non europeans.


Women are illegal? xD



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DJEVOLVE said:

4 years ago Today the supreme court had a 5 to 4 decision, all Republican appointed judges votes yes, all Democratic appointed judges voted no. Those 5 supreme court justices put on by Republican presidents voted that corporations are people, allowing corporations to essentially spend as much money on elections as they want. Meaning they can buy Congressmen. So don't tell me they are all the same. The supreme court votes 5 to 4 all the time. With the Republican appointed judges voting against the people and for the corporations over and over.

 


No they didn't.

I mean, at least read and understand a ruling before you argue it's wrong.

 

 "If the First Amendment has any force, it prohibits Congress from fining or jailing citizens, or associations of citizens, for simply engaging in political speech."

What the citizens united decision said was that an individuals free speech is sacrosanct whether said person is speaking alone, or pooling their money to make a point.

What the ruling said was that Corporations are a group of people and that Freedom of Speech was not invalidated by people assembling together.

 

And additionally, that since there is no legal distinction between coprorations and legal corproations such a law would basically allow the government to go after news orginzations if they wanted to.

 

Also, a judges duty is to follow the law.  Not pick sides.



I dont see a slant in that post at all OP. what is this msnbc?



 

I guess Bernie Sanders is against corporate taxes, then, because things can't pay taxes.

But cool thread. This helped me figure out whose alt you are!



ninetailschris said:
You say that Republicians voted against the people, while the democrats voted for the people. I think you need to educate yourself on why it was really voted in. They voted in because companies did behind the door money which made the law pointless. There was many loopholes with it. It was generally ignored by democrats and republicans. Have you done any research on the problems of the law?


I will state it again. The 5 judges put on by reagan, bush all voted for it. The judges put on by democrats voted against it. It doesn't get easier then this. It was a supreme court decision, not the congress. get your facts straight. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Citizens_United_v._Federal_Election_Commission

I will add the laws needed to be tightened, not allowed to open the flood gates. In the past, political campaigns have never seen this type of money coming in from one donor or source. The laws where not great but we needed to go the other way not reinforce it. This is like saying, so since a law against killing people is not working, lets get rid of the law.



Kasz216 said:
DJEVOLVE said:

4 years ago Today the supreme court had a 5 to 4 decision, all Republican appointed judges votes yes, all Democratic appointed judges voted no. Those 5 supreme court justices put on by Republican presidents voted that corporations are people, allowing corporations to essentially spend as much money on elections as they want. Meaning they can buy Congressmen. So don't tell me they are all the same. The supreme court votes 5 to 4 all the time. With the Republican appointed judges voting against the people and for the corporations over and over.

 


No they didn't.

I mean, at least read and understand a ruling before you argue it's wrong.

 

 "If the First Amendment has any force, it prohibits Congress from fining or jailing citizens, or associations of citizens, for simply engaging in political speech."

What the citizens united decision said was that an individuals free speech is sacrosanct whether said person is speaking alone, or pooling their money to make a point.

What the ruling said was that Corporations are a group of people and that Freedom of Speech was not invalidated by people assembling together.

 

And additionally, that since there is no legal distinction between coprorations and legal corproations such a law would basically allow the government to go after news orginzations if they wanted to.

 

Also, a judges duty is to follow the law.  Not pick sides.

 

So Money is speech. Meaning a large corporation can buy any politician they want.

Judges do pick sides and if you have not figured that out you have not been paying attention. 5-4 decisions all the time. Laws are open to speculation, that's why we even have courts.

To say I don't understand is your usual stance for someone that you don't agree with, I understand it fine. I just made it easier for others to understand.

You will go on to state you're some law professor but in fact you're a vgchartz mod that has a very biased view in political topics, thats it.  So you can downplay this as much as you want but the case has allowed massive amounts of money into politics and is not good for either side.