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"You may not say anything negative or disparaging about Machinima, Xbox One or any of its Games in your Campaign Video;"

This is the issue is it not? Legality aside, surely it's the opinion of youtubers that is in question.

@Damagon - your use of previous campaigns don't help the argument against it as it's a standard agreement, but in most cases Machinima just mean mention E3, mention Pax, they don't mind surely if you insult it as long as you mention it. (unless in their terms is the same sentence above...)

@selnor1983 - MS advertising scheme aside, would you trust youtubers opinion if they can be swayed by an extra $3?

@ioi - I don't think this is the same as what you think. Yes, a lot of advertising is just giving a media outlet money or a free copy of the product to review but that money/product doesn't usually come with the incentive to give it praise when maybe none is deserved. Top Gear have reviewed many cars over the years, but many times they compare the cars to other competitors cars and choose that over the car they are reviewing even if they say it's a good car. They mention good and bad points in their flashy TV review. Omitting the 'bad points' for the money is the part surely in question.


Overall, I'd think that the morality and trustworthiness of youtubers is the real concern as they are the ones receiving money for being deceptive.



Hmm, pie.

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All brand do it. Sony all times.



fps_d0minat0r said:
selnor1983 said:
ganoncrotch said:
While I sort of agree with ioi here that no noteworthy legal action would ever come of any of this, I think this was a scheme someone at Microsoft thought would get some good PR for a fairly tiny amount of cash (I think the total payout from this is around 4k dollars) I think that has absolutely blown up in their faces. If they wanted people on social media talking about their system they sure got that... but in absolutely every way they didn't want.

I was thinking about the other feedback part of this, that people would attack positive videos about the X1 and its games for a bit on youtube because people would obviously think they're being paid off. But all a youtuber would need to do would be mention this issue at the start of the video, which to anyone who has read about it would know that would break the terms of the promotion if they were trying to make additional money from the video directly from Microsoft/Machinima. Would be less headwreck than getting the scorn of all the hate going about on youtube/twitter atm and still be able to talk about games you love.


Sony, Samsung, EA and Nintendo have all been shown yesterday to do this exact same thing. This isnt news. Its only come to serfucae because someone wants to use Microsoft as the devil. But unearthed something they ALL do. ROFL. That backfired on the GAF user didnt it.


If thats true, they should be punished equally. (btw do you have a source for this? I wouldnt be surprised at all, but just need something concrete to go on)

It still doesnt change the situation for MS.

Actually worse. Sony keeps saying they wont fake reviews, and then do it again. This was in this thred. http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/thread.php?id=176573&page=3

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/4741259.stm

http://www.zdnet.com/blog/hardware/sony-and-the-fake-psp-blog/186

http://www.cbsnews.com/news/sony-pays-for-fake-reviews/

Id like to point out, that this site VGC with its followers have never posted this before or ever do this about Sony.

The world is not rosie. And every company pushes the limits.

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=755600

http://www.techweekeurope.co.uk/news/samsung-taiwan-htc-smartphones-reviews-113328

 

What Machinima/Microsoft did was not illegal. Above is illegal.



selnor1983 said:
ganoncrotch said:
While I sort of agree with ioi here that no noteworthy legal action would ever come of any of this, I think this was a scheme someone at Microsoft thought would get some good PR for a fairly tiny amount of cash (I think the total payout from this is around 4k dollars) I think that has absolutely blown up in their faces. If they wanted people on social media talking about their system they sure got that... but in absolutely every way they didn't want.

I was thinking about the other feedback part of this, that people would attack positive videos about the X1 and its games for a bit on youtube because people would obviously think they're being paid off. But all a youtuber would need to do would be mention this issue at the start of the video, which to anyone who has read about it would know that would break the terms of the promotion if they were trying to make additional money from the video directly from Microsoft/Machinima. Would be less headwreck than getting the scorn of all the hate going about on youtube/twitter atm and still be able to talk about games you love.


Sony, Samsung, EA and Nintendo have all been shown yesterday to do this exact same thing. This isnt news. Its only come to serfucae because someone wants to use Microsoft as the devil. But unearthed something they ALL do. ROFL. That backfired on the GAF user didnt it.


Please show where others did this while asking people to HIDE it is a pormotion?/



WebmasterX said:
All brand do it. Sony all times.


Proof?



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selnor1983 said:
fps_d0minat0r said:
selnor1983 said:
ganoncrotch said:
While I sort of agree with ioi here that no noteworthy legal action would ever come of any of this, I think this was a scheme someone at Microsoft thought would get some good PR for a fairly tiny amount of cash (I think the total payout from this is around 4k dollars) I think that has absolutely blown up in their faces. If they wanted people on social media talking about their system they sure got that... but in absolutely every way they didn't want.

I was thinking about the other feedback part of this, that people would attack positive videos about the X1 and its games for a bit on youtube because people would obviously think they're being paid off. But all a youtuber would need to do would be mention this issue at the start of the video, which to anyone who has read about it would know that would break the terms of the promotion if they were trying to make additional money from the video directly from Microsoft/Machinima. Would be less headwreck than getting the scorn of all the hate going about on youtube/twitter atm and still be able to talk about games you love.


Sony, Samsung, EA and Nintendo have all been shown yesterday to do this exact same thing. This isnt news. Its only come to serfucae because someone wants to use Microsoft as the devil. But unearthed something they ALL do. ROFL. That backfired on the GAF user didnt it.


If thats true, they should be punished equally. (btw do you have a source for this? I wouldnt be surprised at all, but just need something concrete to go on)

It still doesnt change the situation for MS.

Actually worse. Sony keeps saying they wont fake reviews, and then do it again. This was in this thred. http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/thread.php?id=176573&page=3

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/4741259.stm

http://www.zdnet.com/blog/hardware/sony-and-the-fake-psp-blog/186

http://www.cbsnews.com/news/sony-pays-for-fake-reviews/

Id like to point out, that this site VGC with its followers have never posted this before or ever do this about Sony.

The world is not rosie. And every company pushes the limits.

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=755600

http://www.techweekeurope.co.uk/news/samsung-taiwan-htc-smartphones-reviews-113328

 

What Machinima/Microsoft did was not illegal. Above is illegal.

None of those are the same as what MS was doing try again. I repeat, where did Sony, samsung pay for promotion only to force people to not say ot hide it wass a promotion? Sony and sdamsung GOT fined so your actually making the point for us. Anyone does something wrong they should get called out, unless it's MS right Selnor? The rules don;t apply to MS when it comes to you.

Those companies got called out and fined, like MS is getting called out now, the way it hould be. You are so obsessed with damage control for MS, and bringing up things other companies did, which only hurts your own argument. They got crap for it, why shouldn't ms?



selnor1983 said:
fps_d0minat0r said:
selnor1983 said:
ganoncrotch said:
While I sort of agree with ioi here that no noteworthy legal action would ever come of any of this, I think this was a scheme someone at Microsoft thought would get some good PR for a fairly tiny amount of cash (I think the total payout from this is around 4k dollars) I think that has absolutely blown up in their faces. If they wanted people on social media talking about their system they sure got that... but in absolutely every way they didn't want.

I was thinking about the other feedback part of this, that people would attack positive videos about the X1 and its games for a bit on youtube because people would obviously think they're being paid off. But all a youtuber would need to do would be mention this issue at the start of the video, which to anyone who has read about it would know that would break the terms of the promotion if they were trying to make additional money from the video directly from Microsoft/Machinima. Would be less headwreck than getting the scorn of all the hate going about on youtube/twitter atm and still be able to talk about games you love.


Sony, Samsung, EA and Nintendo have all been shown yesterday to do this exact same thing. This isnt news. Its only come to serfucae because someone wants to use Microsoft as the devil. But unearthed something they ALL do. ROFL. That backfired on the GAF user didnt it.


If thats true, they should be punished equally. (btw do you have a source for this? I wouldnt be surprised at all, but just need something concrete to go on)

It still doesnt change the situation for MS.

Actually worse. Sony keeps saying they wont fake reviews, and then do it again. This was in this thred. http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/thread.php?id=176573&page=3

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/4741259.stm

http://www.zdnet.com/blog/hardware/sony-and-the-fake-psp-blog/186

http://www.cbsnews.com/news/sony-pays-for-fake-reviews/

Id like to point out, that this site VGC with its followers have never posted this before or ever do this about Sony.

The world is not rosie. And every company pushes the limits.

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=755600

http://www.techweekeurope.co.uk/news/samsung-taiwan-htc-smartphones-reviews-113328

 

What Machinima/Microsoft did was not illegal. Above is illegal.

If you read your own sources, you would find out that they got criticised for it and paid the fine for it.

Now MS got caught so they must do the same, your sources above give you even less reason to defend them.



FlamingWeazel said:
selnor1983 said:
fps_d0minat0r said:
selnor1983 said:
ganoncrotch said:
While I sort of agree with ioi here that no noteworthy legal action would ever come of any of this, I think this was a scheme someone at Microsoft thought would get some good PR for a fairly tiny amount of cash (I think the total payout from this is around 4k dollars) I think that has absolutely blown up in their faces. If they wanted people on social media talking about their system they sure got that... but in absolutely every way they didn't want.

I was thinking about the other feedback part of this, that people would attack positive videos about the X1 and its games for a bit on youtube because people would obviously think they're being paid off. But all a youtuber would need to do would be mention this issue at the start of the video, which to anyone who has read about it would know that would break the terms of the promotion if they were trying to make additional money from the video directly from Microsoft/Machinima. Would be less headwreck than getting the scorn of all the hate going about on youtube/twitter atm and still be able to talk about games you love.


Sony, Samsung, EA and Nintendo have all been shown yesterday to do this exact same thing. This isnt news. Its only come to serfucae because someone wants to use Microsoft as the devil. But unearthed something they ALL do. ROFL. That backfired on the GAF user didnt it.


If thats true, they should be punished equally. (btw do you have a source for this? I wouldnt be surprised at all, but just need something concrete to go on)

It still doesnt change the situation for MS.

Actually worse. Sony keeps saying they wont fake reviews, and then do it again. This was in this thred. http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/thread.php?id=176573&page=3

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/4741259.stm

http://www.zdnet.com/blog/hardware/sony-and-the-fake-psp-blog/186

http://www.cbsnews.com/news/sony-pays-for-fake-reviews/

Id like to point out, that this site VGC with its followers have never posted this before or ever do this about Sony.

The world is not rosie. And every company pushes the limits.

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=755600

http://www.techweekeurope.co.uk/news/samsung-taiwan-htc-smartphones-reviews-113328

 

What Machinima/Microsoft did was not illegal. Above is illegal.

None of those are the same as what MS was doing try again. I repeat, where did Sony, samsung pay for promotion only to force people to not say ot hide it wass a promotion? Sony and sdamsung GOT fined so your actually making the point for us. Anyone does something wrong they should get called out, unless it's MS right Selnor? The rules don;t apply to MS when it comes to you.

Those companies got called out and fined, like MS is getting called out now, the way it hould be. You are so obsessed with damage control for MS, and bringing up things other companies did, which only hurts your own argument. They got crap for it, why shouldn't ms?

This thread is over. Game set and match. It was legal, even the makers of this very site your on has come onto here and told you nothings wrong. Every company does this.

Id be much more worried about illegal activity in reviews if I were you. But I dont think you will because the wrong company is in the firing line.

/thread.

 

WELCOME TO ADVERTISING ON THE INTERNET.

Well Done Microsoft, Machinima, EA, Samsung, Sony Nintendo. Well every single company in the world who can use this perfetly legal advertising campaign.



fps_d0minat0r said:
selnor1983 said:
fps_d0minat0r said:
selnor1983 said:
ganoncrotch said:
While I sort of agree with ioi here that no noteworthy legal action would ever come of any of this, I think this was a scheme someone at Microsoft thought would get some good PR for a fairly tiny amount of cash (I think the total payout from this is around 4k dollars) I think that has absolutely blown up in their faces. If they wanted people on social media talking about their system they sure got that... but in absolutely every way they didn't want.

I was thinking about the other feedback part of this, that people would attack positive videos about the X1 and its games for a bit on youtube because people would obviously think they're being paid off. But all a youtuber would need to do would be mention this issue at the start of the video, which to anyone who has read about it would know that would break the terms of the promotion if they were trying to make additional money from the video directly from Microsoft/Machinima. Would be less headwreck than getting the scorn of all the hate going about on youtube/twitter atm and still be able to talk about games you love.


Sony, Samsung, EA and Nintendo have all been shown yesterday to do this exact same thing. This isnt news. Its only come to serfucae because someone wants to use Microsoft as the devil. But unearthed something they ALL do. ROFL. That backfired on the GAF user didnt it.


If thats true, they should be punished equally. (btw do you have a source for this? I wouldnt be surprised at all, but just need something concrete to go on)

It still doesnt change the situation for MS.

Actually worse. Sony keeps saying they wont fake reviews, and then do it again. This was in this thred. http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/thread.php?id=176573&page=3

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/4741259.stm

http://www.zdnet.com/blog/hardware/sony-and-the-fake-psp-blog/186

http://www.cbsnews.com/news/sony-pays-for-fake-reviews/

Id like to point out, that this site VGC with its followers have never posted this before or ever do this about Sony.

The world is not rosie. And every company pushes the limits.

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=755600

http://www.techweekeurope.co.uk/news/samsung-taiwan-htc-smartphones-reviews-113328

 

What Machinima/Microsoft did was not illegal. Above is illegal.

If you read your own sources, you would find out that they got criticised for it and paid the fine for it.

Now MS got caught so they must do the same, your sources above give you even less reason to defend them.

You'll find your wrong. Its perfectly legal. As the makers of this very site have come on and even said to you all that this is common and is NOT illegal. Nothing will come of this fiasco at all. Machinima/Microsoft as well as EA have done nothing wrong. The promotion itself is not allowed to be secret. And it wasnt. The details withing were, and thats perfectly legal.



This level of blind devotion is sickening