Vikki said:
Your definition of Communism obviously comes from 1950's America. |
No it doesn't. It comes from Sweden in 2014.
Vikki said:
Your definition of Communism obviously comes from 1950's America. |
No it doesn't. It comes from Sweden in 2014.
Kynes said:
Sell everything you have and give the money to those poorer than you. It's easy to talk when you have access to internet, to computers, probably you have an easy life. You are part of the top 20% of the world, and you say it's sickening to see the reality, but you do nothing to change it. I'm sure your answer, skyrocket the taxes and redistribute the money it. That's socialism/communism. |
Let's just disect everything wrong with your post:
1-At no point does it suggest that working/lower class people such as me should sell our posessions and give it to the poor. If I had any form of income, which I don't, I would do what I could for the poor although it may not be much.
2-The video is calling out for a redistribution of wealth from the rich, the billionaires, the criminal bankers, the CEOs, all of those people who hoard the money and pay their workers sub poverty line wages. That is the deifinition of evil.
3-You shouldn't presume people have easy lifes. While I used to have it easy, due to economic conditions that occured in the 2008 financial crisis things are nowhere near as comfortable.
4-I can literally do nothing to change it. Once again, you are pressuming things.
5-My answer is skyrocket taxes for the rich, jail the criminal bankers, and regulate corporations.
6-So what if it is socialism? Why is that such a dirty word
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| Slimebeast said: What a communist and video full of lies. |
You don't think neocolonialism exists? And do you know why difference in production, organization and efficiency exists?
| Slimebeast said: What a communist and video full of lies. |
so 300 people are so much better in everything than 3 billion? you know what: why not remove every law, every protection those people have and go back to anarchy. let those 3 billon fight against the 300. i wonder what outcome would be?
Leadified said:
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Of course neocolonialism exists in some sense but first, it's not a huge reason for inequality between nations, and second, it has more to do with the motives and mechanisms of the capitalist system and corporations than it has to do with political aims of rich countries and governments.
The main reason for difference in production, organization etc is that countries evolve in their own pace and cultures and societies on our earth are so very different (poor countries benefit from the technological, economical and societal advancements of rich countries, or else they would be still stuck in the dark age. It's very seldom the other way). The reason for inequalies is definitely not that rich countries are leeching on or trying to hamper the development of poor countries. Perverse and crazy ideas like that are pure conspiracy belief and signs of mental illness (communism and hardcore socialism).
0815user said:
so 300 people are so much better in everything than 3 billion? you know what: why not remove every law, every protection those people have and go back to anarchy. let those 3 billon fight against the 300. i wonder what outcome would be? |
Those 300 people have nothing to do with the 3 billion. If we in the rich countries (North America, Europe, Eastern Asia and China) decide to embrace a capitalistic system and protect the legal right of ownership, there's always gonna be a few extremely rich persons. That has nothing to do with the lower half of world's population who are living in authoritarian dicatorships, in backwards societies with lack of democracy and civil rights, and in the gutter.
Slimebeast said:
Those 300 people have nothing to do with the 3 billion. If we in the rich countries (North America, Europe, Eastern Asia and China) decide to embrace a capitalistic system and protect the legal right of ownership, there's always gonna be a few extremely rich persons. That has nothing to do with the lower half of world's population who are living in the gutter. |
It has everything to do with the workers struggling to support families on minimum wage, yet the CEOs and bankers keep their billions of dollars worth in bonuses.
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Vikki said:
It has everything to do with the workers struggling to support families on minimum wage, yet the CEOs and bankers keep their billions of dollars worth in bonuses. |
But that's on a national level. You're describing a nation now - Bill Gates versus the low income American worker.
It's still got nothing to do with why Sudan, Pakistan or Burkina Faso are economically primitive societies filled with extremely poor people.
Slimebeast said:
Of course neocolonialism exists in some sense but first, it's not a huge reason for inequality between nations, and second, it has more to do with the motives and mechanisms of the capitalist system and corporations than it has to do with political aims of rich countries and governments. The main reason for difference in production, organization etc is that countries evolve in their own pace and cultures and societies are so different (mostly poor countries benefit from the technological, economical and societal development of rich countries, or else they would be still stuck in the dark age). The reason for inequalies is definitely not that rich countries are leeching on or trying to hamper the development of poor countries. Perverse and crazy ideas like that are pure conspiracy belief and signs of mental illness (communism and hardcore socialism). |
Here we go.
1. Yes in fact it is because developing nations are forced to rely on developed nations or else countries such as the United States will refuse to do business until certain conditions are met. Which sometimes these conditions could totally destablize a country such as what happened to Kenya in the 70s. Was the intent to destablize Kenya, no probably not but it was definitely a side product of neocolonialism and it's definitely an issue which continues today in other states. I don't know why you're trying to seperate capitalism from politics because it doesn't make any sense, they go hand in hand.
2. That's a tough argument to make and it seems you're implying people from developing nations are lazy or uncivil.
3. Then what is? The developed world is not entirely to blame for the faults of developing nations but it certainly has a large impact. Just look where all your goods came from, especially your electronics and clothing and who is in charge for getting the materials for your goods, and please stop yelling "communism" and "socialism", it's childish and it's making you look really ignorant.
Leadified said:
1. Yes in fact it is because developing nations are forced to rely on developed nations or else countries such as the United States will refuse to do business until certain conditions are met. Which sometimes these conditions could totally destablize a country such as what happened to Kenya in the 70s. Was the intent to destablize Kenya, no probably not but it was definitely a side product of neocolonialism and it's definitely an issue which continues today in other states. I don't know why you're trying to seperate capitalism from politics because it doesn't make any sense, they go hand in hand. 2. That's a tough argument to make and it seems you're implying people from developing nations are lazy or uncivil. 3. Then what is? The developed world is not entirely to blame for the faults of developing nations but it certainly has a large impact. Just look where all your goods came from, especially your electronics and clothing and who is in charge for getting the materials for your goods, and please stop yelling "communism" and "socialism", it's childish and it's making you look really ignorant. |
1. Destabilize countries? What are you talking about? Give me a relevant example from today since we're talking about "neocolonialism" today. Give me hard data.
2. That's a tough argument to make? It's the key reason. There are countries today that are less civilized and developed than Europe was one thousand years ago.
3. Does it really matter if some of the raw materials of my PS3 comes from a poor country? It seems to at first glance, but truth is the materials would still be lying buried under ground to the benefit of nobody if Western corps hadn't taken the initiave to exploit them.
But it's a weak argument no matter how you slice it. From all the wealth, prosperity, organization, services in Sweden or any other rich nation (roads, buildings, factories, work places, maintenance, agriculture, health care, societal safety, societal stability, legal system, police, defense, culture, entertainment, historical preservation, nature and a thousand other things) - from everything that you can measure in economical terms, only a a few percentages out of the total economy has its origins in a poor country.
But the socialist pathological mind will constantly try and make Western citizens feel guilty that we have stable and well-working socities.