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Poor countries do it to themselves. If trade rules are so economically disadvantageous then why sign them? And why let western corporations into your country if you know they'll exploit your people and your resources? Ohh I know the answer to both...they have corrupt fuck leaders that cash in on these deals to get rich, and leave the people they are supposed to be leading out to dry.

And another thing...there are different costs of living worldwide. With the amount of money you get on welfare in America, you could live like a king in southeast Asia or Africa.

But my real point is the first one I made. Poor countries have corrupt leaders that make deals for quick cash now, at the expense of the future of their country. They don't think 10 or even 5 years down the road, they think about now.



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Slimebeast said:
Leadified said:
Slimebeast said:
Leadified said:
Slimebeast said:

What a communist and video full of lies.

He ignores the difference between income and accumulated wealth and manipulates and uses each category where he sees fit to push his socialist agenda.

He also totally ignores the difference in production, organization and efficiency between different countries. He pretends as that doesn't exist.

I hate commie propaganda like this.


You don't think neocolonialism exists? And do you know why difference in production, organization and efficiency exists?

Of course neocolonialism exists in some sense but first, it's not a huge reason for inequality between nations, and second, it has more to do with the motives and mechanisms of the capitalist system and corporations than it has to do with political aims of rich countries and governments.

The main reason for difference in production, organization etc is that countries evolve in their own pace and cultures and societies are so different (mostly poor countries benefit from the technological, economical and societal development of rich countries, or else they would be still stuck in the dark age). The reason for inequalies is definitely not that rich countries are leeching on or trying to hamper the development of poor countries. Perverse and crazy ideas like that are pure conspiracy belief and signs of mental illness (communism and hardcore socialism).


Here we go.

1. Yes in fact it is because developing nations are forced to rely on developed nations or else countries such as the United States will refuse to do business until certain conditions are met. Which sometimes these conditions could totally destablize a country such as what happened to Kenya in the 70s. Was the intent to destablize Kenya, no probably not but it was definitely a side product of neocolonialism and it's definitely an issue which continues today in other states. I don't know why you're trying to seperate capitalism from politics because it doesn't make any sense, they go hand in hand.

2. That's a tough argument to make and it seems you're implying people from developing nations are lazy or uncivil.

3. Then what is? The developed world is not entirely to blame for the faults of developing nations but it certainly has a large impact. Just look where all your goods came from, especially your electronics and clothing and who is in charge for getting the materials for your goods, and please stop yelling "communism" and "socialism", it's childish and it's making you look really ignorant.

1. Destabilize countries? What are you talking about? Give me a relevant example from today since we're talking about "neocolonialism" today. Give me hard data.

2. That's a tough argument to make? It's the key reason. There are countries today that are less civilized and developed than Europe was one thousand years ago.

3. Does it really matter if some of the raw materials of my PS3 comes from a poor country? It seems to at first glance, but truth is the materials would still be lying buried under ground to the benefit of nobody if Western corps hadn't taken the initiave to exploit them.

But it's a weak argument no matter how you slice it. From all the wealth, prosperity, organization, services in Sweden or any other rich nation (roads, buildings, factories, work places, maintenance, agriculture, health care, societal safety, societal stability, legal system, police, defense, culture, entertainment, historical preservation, nature and a thousand other things) - from everything that you can measure in economical terms, only a a few percentages out of the total economy has its origins in a poor country.

But the socialist pathological mind will constantly try and make Western citizens feel guilty that we have stable and well-working socities.


Did you even read what I wrote? If you're that interesed then read this. http://carnegieendowment.org/files/kenya_background.pdf, it will give you the "hard data" you need to know all about my Kenyan example and it's recent economic development due to liberalisation. I still fail to see how your second point is relevant at all to this discussion or how it matters? Or why it even matters what the situation was 1000 years ago. Your third point is a strawman fallacy, the point is where ever these resources come from, the people living there have no control over their them and instead are exploited by others, usually TNCs. I don't have give you a modern example of neocolonalism because you just confirmed it with your third point.

As for your bold. Again. https://www.cia.gov/library/publications/the-world-factbook/geos/sw.html. Swedish commodities imports are: machinery, petroleum and petroleum products, chemicals, motor vehicles, iron and steel; foodstuffs, clothing

Where do you think those come from? Especially, petroleum, petroleum products, chemicals, iron and steel, food and clothing comes from? These aren't just some small things, these are things that you NEED in order to continue you comfortable way of life.

And quit with your nonsense about socialism already. This isn't about socialism.