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Forums - Microsoft - MICROSOFT: Q2Results - 3.9m ONE and 3.5m 360's. Qtr Rev up 14% !! to $24bn. Qtr profits up to $6.56bn. HUGE!

Puppyroach said:
I said it all the way back in october: the numbers simply don´t add up! There should be adjustments in the range of at least 1,5 mn and will probably still place X360 as the second place console after the Wii for 7th generation.

PS3 WILL overtake (if it hasn't already), but they'll all be within a 10m range of each other which is amazing.



 

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crissindahouse said:
so, they could ship 3.9m consoles and people said microsoft's only reason why they don't release the console in more countries are massive production issues and the reasons microsoft was talking about are all lies?

sounds plausible...

The reason for not releasing the console is definitely not the huge demand in the tier 1 countries etiher. 3.9 million shipped and 3 million sell-through definitely shows that it is time to increase to country count.



drkohler said:
kowenicki said:
drkohler said:

Again, TALK to the local MediaMarkt boss here. They ordered 5 full palettes of X360s expecting the Xmas storm. Storm didn't happen at all, the five palettes are still clogging the whole gaming area. This is NOT the only big shop with the same problem in the area.

right.  cool story

Don't like the truth, apparently. Next thing you will say "pictures or it didn't happen". If I did that, and I have no plans for doing that at all, your next reply would be "Photoshopped/i'ts from another year/city/country/universe"
Fact is there are enormous numbers of unsold X360s in local shops, unlike every year before. Now you will reply "bbbbbut that is only your city, its not true everywhere else"...

So let's just agree to disagree here and move on. This subject obviously is too sensitive to you.

at the end of the day you are a local mediamarkt guy in Switzerland.
Judging by my own experiences I made with your colleagues, I just have my doubts that you are able to oversee or estimate global shipments and sell through numbers from Microsoft. Sorry.



Imagine not having GamePass on your console...

pezus said:
drkohler said:

Do you really think Sony magically beamed all their inventory into stores by Dec 31? There was at least one weekly load on ships somewhere on the oceans...

What? Sellthrough = sold to consumers. PS4 sold 4.2m to consumers. One shipped 3.9m

What is so difficult to understand? Here are all the facts for those who are irritated:

1. MS sold to customers 3mio units.

2. MS manufactured 3.9m units.

3. The transit time for ships China-Europe is around 30 days, for China-NA a little shorter. So there WERE NOT 900'000 XBox Ones on store shelves. Those units were either on ships on sea or in transit storage and in shops. If we assume two ships per week, that is 6-8 ships on sea with "unsold" XBox Ones.

4. Sony sold to customers 4.2mio PS4s.

5. We do NOT know how many ships were on sea with how many PS4s on them.

Now we can make the idiotic assumption that all units were airfreighted in by Dec 31, so shipped=sold=manufactured. This would either mean that:

a) The first 3 weeks of 2014, no PS4s would be in shops since there were no ships on sea

b) Sony continues to airfreight almost all weekly stock - hardly a reasonable assumption.

It seems reasonable that at least 1-2 weekly shipments were on sea transit, or if we go by MS numbers, three weekly shipments. This puts the number of PS4s that Sony will show in its quarterly report between 4.7mio and 5.1mio.



Fusioncode said:
crissindahouse said:
so, they could ship 3.9m consoles and people said microsoft's only reason why they don't release the console in more countries are massive production issues and the reasons microsoft was talking about are all lies?

sounds plausible...

Microsoft clearly overestimated demand in the US. They need to get into other countries since they're quickly falling behind in Europe. 

The thing is that there couldn't be huge problems like people claimed if they could ship 3.9m consoles. It's not as if Microsoft had to think "damn, with our huge production issues we can't ship to a few small European countriees where we could sell maybe 150k consoles till end of the year"



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Puppyroach said:
I said it all the way back in october: the numbers simply don´t add up! There should be adjustments in the range of at least 1,5 mn and will probably still place X360 as the second place console after the Wii for 7th generation.


...after the 360 had a year head start over the Wii and PS3.  But...you're fighting over 1.5mn unit scraps, for "bragging rights".  Seems legit... :-/



this 3.9 xone are Shipped or Sold?



OttoniBastos said:
this 3.9 xone are Shipped or Sold?


sold to retailers.



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kowenicki said:
Soleron said:
They moved Windows Phone into the Windows segment to hide its losses, nice.

I'm surprised the Xbox division made a profit.


oh give it a rest.  they changed all the division months ago.

apologies that the results are so good.  I know you are gutted.

I wasn't aware the change happened earlier.

Actually I'm happy they can apparently run a console business in profit against real competition.



DirtyP2002 said:
OttoniBastos said:
this 3.9 xone are Shipped or Sold?


sold to retailers.


Which means shipped? right?