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Is Nintendo important?

Yes, they are. 133 82.61%
 
No, they are not. 22 13.66%
 
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Conina said:
WagnerPaiva said:

We NEED Nintendo, to remind us that games come in wide variety of colors and styles, not only gritty brown and bloody military massacres.

Yeah, every game on non-Nintendo platforms are gritty brown games, all in the same style!

Like Bastion, Beyond, Bioshock Infinite, Broken Age, Brothers, Cut the Rope, Deponia, Guacamelee!, Fable, FEZ, Flower, Forza Horizon, Journey, Limbo, LittleBigPlanet, Persona 4, Portal 2, Rayman, Resogun, Tearaway, The Witness, Trine, Uncharted...

We really NEED Nintendo for some diversity in games.

Exactlly, ALL these are shooters =D

 

You know what I mean, it is cool to have a company that doesn´t need a bloody military (space) shooter as a flagship title. We need all companies, but Nintendo is always the target of bashing, so they are the one I am defending.



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DucksUnlimited said:

By all means, enlighten me. When did I say they weren't important?

What I'm saying is that they aren't anywhere near as important as you make them out to be. Whenever a gap arises in a market, another company will come and fill it. Suggesting that brown shooters would be the only type of game remaining if Nintendo left the industry shows incredible ignorance regarding how markets actually work.


Fair, you haven´t said they are not important, I assumed, and for that I apologize. But, I still think it will be a very dark and sad day when Nintendo goes under or multiplataform, look at SEGA, the once unstoppable inovator is now a mere shadow of it´s former self.

For sure, Sony and MS would do games to appeal to Nintendo fans, and there would be Mario games here and there, but it would not be the same. I don´t want a gaming industry where everyone is afraid to try things in a different way or not to follow the fashion, Nintendo around help to keep things fresh.



My grammar errors are justified by the fact that I am a brazilian living in Brazil. I am also very stupid.

Conina said:
JoRu said:

Truth be told, they're still the most ballsy gaming hardware manufacturer in the business. Motion controls inspired Kinect which in turn inspired the design for Xbox One.

Playstation Move was inspired by the Wiimote & Nunchuk... even more than "inspired".

Kinect was more inspired by the EyeToy than by the Wii (motion tracking by camera, free hands).

The Virtual Console inspired the digital distribution of old Xbox- and Playstation-titles on Xbox Live and PSN, which now is a huge selling point for Sony when it comes to what Playstation Now can offer.

Emulation of old console/computer hardware on newer and more powerful devices or porting old games to new platforms was practiced decades.


In terms of the technology used, true. But Nintendo was the ones who showed the market possibilities when you make motion the centerpiece of the entire hardware rather than an accessory like EyeToy or a Guitar Hero-instrument. That's why we see Microsoft fully embrace the concept of motion tracking (in general) as something central when using Xbox One, now that it's not as much of a crazy idea as it was before Nintendo went crazy and made the Wii.

Sure, emulation has been possible a long time, but from a market standpoint; utilizing digital distribution to sell those old games again was a great idea courtesy of Nintendo. Instead of just making hardware backwards compatible to make transitions between consoles smoother you essentially put old games back on the market (= $$$), making money not just from added value to the hardware but actually having previously unavailable content (legally) made easily available on your new platform. Sony and Microsoft would've probably done it eventually, but not that quickly and perhaps not that successfully.



WagnerPaiva said:
DucksUnlimited said:

By all means, enlighten me. When did I say they weren't important?

What I'm saying is that they aren't anywhere near as important as you make them out to be. Whenever a gap arises in a market, another company will come and fill it. Suggesting that brown shooters would be the only type of game remaining if Nintendo left the industry shows incredible ignorance regarding how markets actually work.


Fair, you haven´t said they are not important, I assumed, and for that I apologize. But, I still think it will be a very dark and sad day when Nintendo goes under or multiplataform, look at SEGA, the once unstoppable inovator is now a mere shadow of it´s former self.

For sure, Sony and MS would do games to appeal to Nintendo fans, and there would be Mario games here and there, but it would not be the same. I don´t want a gaming industry where everyone is afraid to try things in a different way or not to follow the fashion, Nintendo around help to keep things fresh.

Exactly my point. People were saying the same thing as you about Sega when they were still a hardware manufacturer. Now they're not, and yet the industry is as strong as ever.

There are plenty of studios that inovate as much, if not more than Nintendo, so your last point is kind of a non-issue.



WagnerPaiva said:
DucksUnlimited said:
gigantor21 said:

> Complains about fanboyism
> Proceeds to make tons of flame-baiting fanboy arguments

Pretty much this. Looking at his most recent post he clearly doesn't intend to stop resorting to this shallow attempt at argumentation either.

By all means, enlight me. Why do you think they are not important?

I doubt you care what I think, since I'm apparently a mentally defective pre-teen screaming at people on Xbox Live for some reason. But here goes:

Your first argument--about how Nintendo saved the industry in the 80's--doesn't really mean much in a 2014 market. Back then, Nintendo was the face of gaming, with the NES as the undisputed king. Now, the gaming landscape is much bigger and more fragmented. Not only do you have multiple companies competing with Nintendo in the console space, but you also have handhelds, browser games, a resurgent PC market, and smartphone and tablet gaming. There have never been so many options avaliable to people who want to play games, and with the rise of the indie scene the big publishers and hardware makers are no longer the gatekeepers they once were. Thus I have a hard time seeing how it can't survive if one company exits the business.

And in case you were wondering, I've never played COD or Battlefield before, and I'm in my mid 20s. And while I don't think the industry NEEDS Nintendo more than any other company, I would be very upset if they went under--mainly because they serve as a counterweight to the sort of industry excesses that Sony and Microsoft are happy to go along with.

We never had to worry about the WiiU being always-online or blocking used games--something that Nintendo didn't get nearly enough credit for when the Xbox One was first revealed. Nor is the WiiU meant to be a funnel for other non-gaming services Nintendo wants to push use towards. There is no "Nintendo Music Unlimited", they aren't trying to condition us towards cloud gaming, and they aren't trying to push exclusive Zelda TV shows or Nintendo-branded fantasy football apps. Plus their games are complete experiences, as opposed to being "games as a service" or DLC delivery packages.

Call me old fashioned, but I honestly don't give a shit about a lot of the non-gaming functionality in these boxes. PCs and mobile phones often do a better job with them anyway, and more and more of them are being built into smart TVs as it is. Hell, I heard recently that Toshiba is going to have PC gaming streaming built into their smart TVs this year. Thus it's nice having Nintendo around as a purely game-centric company, as opposed to the unwieldly electronics behemoths of Sony and Microsoft.

The industry will be a lesser place without Nintendo. But it will survive, one way or another.



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gigantor21 said:

Your first argument--about how Nintendo saved the industry in the 80's--doesn't really mean much in a 2014 market. Back then, Nintendo was the face of gaming, with the NES as the undisputed king. Now, the gaming landscape is much bigger and more fragmented. Not only do you have multiple companies competing with Nintendo in the console space, but you also have handhelds, browser games, a resurgent PC market, and smartphone and tablet gaming. There have never been so many options avaliable to people who want to play games, and with the rise of the indie scene the big publishers and hardware makers are no longer the gatekeepers they once were. Thus I have a hard time seeing how it can't survive if one company exits the business.

And in case you were wondering, I've never played COD or Battlefield before, and I'm in my mid 20s. And while I don't think the industry NEEDS Nintendo more than any other company, I would be very upset if they went under--mainly because they serve as a counterweight to the sort of industry excesses that Sony and Microsoft are happy to go along with.

We never had to worry about the WiiU being always-online or blocking used games--something that Nintendo didn't get nearly enough credit for when the Xbox One was first revealed. Nor is the WiiU meant to be a funnel for other non-gaming services Nintendo wants to push use towards. There is no "Nintendo Music Unlimited", they aren't trying to condition us towards cloud gaming, and they aren't trying to push exclusive Zelda TV shows or Nintendo-branded fantasy football apps. Plus their games are complete experiences, as opposed to being "games as a service" or DLC delivery packages.

Call me old fashioned, but I honestly don't give a shit about a lot of the non-gaming functionality in these boxes. PCs and mobile phones often do a better job with them anyway, and more and more of them are being built into smart TVs as it is. Hell, I heard recently that Toshiba is going to have PC gaming streaming built into their smart TVs this year. Thus it's nice having Nintendo around as a purely game-centric company, as opposed to the unwieldly electronics behemoths of Sony and Microsoft.

The industry will be a lesser place without Nintendo. But it will survive, one way or another.

I agree with everything you said. Of course video games are here to stay, but I think Nintendo is still charming and appealing enough to be vital in the industry, and I like the fact that they make a real effort to have a diferent console, love it or hate it, the WII was unique, and the WiiU is pretty unique as well. 

So, I want to see Nintendo around, always doing this: making left turns and shaking things up.



My grammar errors are justified by the fact that I am a brazilian living in Brazil. I am also very stupid.

DucksUnlimited said:

Exactly my point. People were saying the same thing as you about Sega when they were still a hardware manufacturer. Now they're not, and yet the industry is as strong as ever.

There are plenty of studios that inovate as much, if not more than Nintendo, so your last point is kind of a non-issue.

Yes, gaming survived, but it sure as hell was a sad thing to lose them =/

The thing is, their amazing games were really awesome because they were only playable on Sega, that made them extra special.  So everytime you turned on your Master System, you had all these very diferent experiences than the ones you had on your Nintendo, this was pretty awesome.

That is, actually, why I love Sony exclusives so much.

But, yes, your counterpoint was very valid and well made.



My grammar errors are justified by the fact that I am a brazilian living in Brazil. I am also very stupid.

WagnerPaiva said:
gigantor21 said:

Your first argument--about how Nintendo saved the industry in the 80's--doesn't really mean much in a 2014 market. Back then, Nintendo was the face of gaming, with the NES as the undisputed king. Now, the gaming landscape is much bigger and more fragmented. Not only do you have multiple companies competing with Nintendo in the console space, but you also have handhelds, browser games, a resurgent PC market, and smartphone and tablet gaming. There have never been so many options avaliable to people who want to play games, and with the rise of the indie scene the big publishers and hardware makers are no longer the gatekeepers they once were. Thus I have a hard time seeing how it can't survive if one company exits the business.

And in case you were wondering, I've never played COD or Battlefield before, and I'm in my mid 20s. And while I don't think the industry NEEDS Nintendo more than any other company, I would be very upset if they went under--mainly because they serve as a counterweight to the sort of industry excesses that Sony and Microsoft are happy to go along with.

We never had to worry about the WiiU being always-online or blocking used games--something that Nintendo didn't get nearly enough credit for when the Xbox One was first revealed. Nor is the WiiU meant to be a funnel for other non-gaming services Nintendo wants to push use towards. There is no "Nintendo Music Unlimited", they aren't trying to condition us towards cloud gaming, and they aren't trying to push exclusive Zelda TV shows or Nintendo-branded fantasy football apps. Plus their games are complete experiences, as opposed to being "games as a service" or DLC delivery packages.

Call me old fashioned, but I honestly don't give a shit about a lot of the non-gaming functionality in these boxes. PCs and mobile phones often do a better job with them anyway, and more and more of them are being built into smart TVs as it is. Hell, I heard recently that Toshiba is going to have PC gaming streaming built into their smart TVs this year. Thus it's nice having Nintendo around as a purely game-centric company, as opposed to the unwieldly electronics behemoths of Sony and Microsoft.

The industry will be a lesser place without Nintendo. But it will survive, one way or another.

I agree with everything you said. Of course video games are here to stay, but I think Nintendo is still charming and appealing enough to be vital in the industry, and I like the fact that they make a real effort to have a diferent console, love it or hate it, the WII was unique, and the WiiU is pretty unique as well. 

So, I want to see Nintendo around, always doing this: making left turns and shaking things up.

As do I, which is the main reason I don't want them to go third party. While I would love nothing more than being able to play Pokemon on the Vita, I don't want Sony and Microsoft to be the only ones dictating the direction of the dedicated hardware market. It's bad enough that mobile phones have eaten into the handheld market as it is.



Have some time to kill? Read my shitty games blog. http://www.pixlbit.com/blogs/586/gigantor21

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sc94597 said:
0815user said:
to me nintendo is probably the main reason why videogames are still seen as kids toys (aka. something that's not worth spending time with if you reach a certain age) and not as a serious form of entertainment art (aka. something that can be worth spending some time with regardless of age) by hudge parts of our soceity. imo we'd be much further down the line in accepting videogames as an artform without nintendo.

Ironically, Nintendo has been the only publisher able to successfuly gather a large audience over the age of 30. 

ok, let's assume it's true, how did they gather that audience? because if they mainly did it with wii-fit, mario, and loyal nintendofollowers from the 8-16bit era i doubt it has much of an positive impact towards changing soceitys view of gaming from waste of time to worth the time.



WagnerPaiva said:
Max King of the Wild said:
your list does not support the thread title...


The general idea is that Nintendo is relevant to people that use gaming as a leisure activity, kids or adults.

I can relax and forget about my work and adult everyday life problems when I build an empire (Civilization), plunder the seven seas (AC4), go around wearing green and having epic advetures (Zelda) or travel through crazy alucinogenic worlds (Mario 3d land), this is all fun stuff and Nintendo getd the fact that a tough man wearing a gun and shooting everything he sees does not have to be involved.

We NEED Nintendo, to remind us that games come in wide variety of colors and styles, not only gritty brown and bloody military massacres.

But the main thing is to express my feelings about how I enjoy their efforts, and that coming from ME, a notorious Sony fanboy and Xbox One owner.

Spoken like a true gamer, i am a Nintendo enthusiast but i have admiration for what Sony and Microsoft bring to the industry. Its nice to see somebody actually acknowledge why Nintendo are so important to the industry as well. Its nice to see a pro Nintendo thread coming from a fan of the competition.