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lucidium on 15 January 2014
JWeinCom said:
lucidium said:
JWeinCom said:


O_o... so... we shouldn't count the sales because Nintendo sold it at the price they wanted to sell it at? 

Not sure how else to make it any clearer to you.

Japan sold 3.7m, elsewhere was bundled with every console.
Nintendo aggressively priced the game since it was included for free elsewhere
Nintendo aggressively advertised the game since it was receiving heavy media attention elsewhere (due to being included free)

You are taking A (japanese sales in the existing climate) and trying to use them to calculate B (US/EU sales in a different climate), without factoring in the effects climate B would have had on A.

It isn't rocket science.

Marketing and pricing is part of what made the game a success.  Nintendo could have, and likely would have, marketed it heavily and priced it aggressively in the US if it wasn't bundled. 

Perhaps so, but as it was bundled virtually everywhere except japan, the best anyone can do is guess what the sales would have been, and how it could have effected the console overall.

Imagine they bundled Super Mario 3D Land with the WiiU instead of shitty Nintendoland?



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JWeinCom on 15 January 2014
lucidium said:
JWeinCom said:
lucidium said:
JWeinCom said:


O_o... so... we shouldn't count the sales because Nintendo sold it at the price they wanted to sell it at? 

Not sure how else to make it any clearer to you.

Japan sold 3.7m, elsewhere was bundled with every console.
Nintendo aggressively priced the game since it was included for free elsewhere
Nintendo aggressively advertised the game since it was receiving heavy media attention elsewhere (due to being included free)

You are taking A (japanese sales in the existing climate) and trying to use them to calculate B (US/EU sales in a different climate), without factoring in the effects climate B would have had on A.

It isn't rocket science.

Marketing and pricing is part of what made the game a success.  Nintendo could have, and likely would have, marketed it heavily and priced it aggressively in the US if it wasn't bundled. 

Perhaps so, but as it was bundled virtually everywhere except japan, the best anyone can do is guess what the sales would have been, and how it could have effected the console overall.

Imagine they bundled Super Mario 3D Land with the WiiU instead of shitty Nintendoland?

Yeah, obviously that was nothing more than a guess.

I actually thought Nintendo Land was a really cool game that made sense as a launch title as it really showed off the potential of the Gamepad.  It's a case of a good product with the wrong marketing.  They really should have probably kept the Wii branding on it, and used the same general idea with less of the Nintendo stuff layered on.  I think the heavy slathering of Nintendo properties made the game less accessible to newcomers.  Some of the games also had to be simplified a bit.

Super Mario 3D World would have helped the system sell better, but I'm honestly not sure it would have been too drastic of a difference.  Super Mario 3D World is a great game, but it doesn't really have the novelty factor that Wii Sports did.  It would have sped up the adoption rate of hardcore Nintendo fans, but it wouldn't really win over the more casual wii owners where Nintendo is really struggling.



Serious_frusting on 15 January 2014
forest-spirit said:

I think the last few gens and the start of this one has proved that none of the big three is that important. If one fails there'll be others (potentially) picking up the slack. It's very possible that the industry will shrink because of it but it won't die.

 

Edit:

I do however believe that Sony and MS are easier to replace simply because of how similar they are to each other.


When you think about it. All M$ has done is split the playstation userbase. The Xbox brand really is just microsoft vision of playstation. Not taking anything away from xbox. Nintendo beats to its own drum. not as appealing as the other two but has its own following that probably would not look at playstation or xbox twice. 



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lt_dan_27 on 15 January 2014
zorg1000 said:
lt_dan_27 said:
curl-6 said:
lt_dan_27 said:

I never said that uncharted was the first cinematic game. I said it was the game that made cinematic games as huge as they are today. I also said that uncharted was one of the first. I acknoledge that Gears of war also did new things.  Tell me another exclusive, and I can tell you how it's more impactful than a few mediocre video games that copied it. 

Yes, kinnect is seen as very lame generally speaking. I've never seen anyone with a 360 use their kinnect for more than a few gimmicky things that couldn't be done with a controller just as easily. Kinnect integration with Xbox one has had HUGE backlash against microsoft this year. So good job, more crap about how the wii/wiiU has done hardly anything for gaming. 

Uncharted was not responsible for the move  towards more cinematic games, that trend was already well in motion.

You may not like Kinect, I don't either, but its success is clear; it's sold more than most consoles. If the PS3 had never happened, gaming today wouldn't be very much different, but it would be vastly different if the Wii never happened.


People play their ps3's much more than they play they're wii's. Bluray wouldn't be king. Many new franchises wouldn't be there that are. The only game that did anything significant on the wii that was significant was a platformer, and those have existed since the 90s. All you've really been saying is that the ps3 hasn't done anything because it doesn't. You've been defedning against one franchise this entire time, and there are countless others. Uncharted changed third person shooters no matter how you want to look at it. Just like mario galaxy changed platforming. If you can't acknowledge that, you're blind. 

How did Uncharted change 3rd person shooters? Earlier u said it was the cover system but then went on to admit Gears used it first. What else did it do to change the genre?

Wall scaling cover based shooter. And once again, we've been arguing about ONE game. So th ps3 has had a significant impact. PS3's had a lot more game of the years than both 7th gen consoles.



lt_dan_27 on 15 January 2014
curl-6 said:
lt_dan_27 said:

People play their ps3's much more than they play they're wii's. Bluray wouldn't be king. Many new franchises wouldn't be there that are. The only game that did anything significant on the wii that was significant was a platformer, and those have existed since the 90s. All you've really been saying is that the ps3 hasn't done anything because it doesn't. You've been defedning against one franchise this entire time, and there are countless others. Uncharted changed third person shooters no matter how you want to look at it. Just like mario galaxy changed platforming. If you can't acknowledge that, you're blind. 

No PS3 game propagated and popularized a whole genre the way Wii Sports and Wii Fit did.

PS3 didn't really do anything the 360 didn't. WIthout it, gaming really wouldn't be much different, as Microsoft would still offer the same kind of cinematic Hollywood-style games.


And a great job wii did propagating a FAD genre. Both of those genres are basically dead by now, and they will be dead completely within a few years. 



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Kane1389 on 15 January 2014
curl-6 said:
lt_dan_27 said:

People play their ps3's much more than they play they're wii's. Bluray wouldn't be king. Many new franchises wouldn't be there that are. The only game that did anything significant on the wii that was significant was a platformer, and those have existed since the 90s. All you've really been saying is that the ps3 hasn't done anything because it doesn't. You've been defedning against one franchise this entire time, and there are countless others. Uncharted changed third person shooters no matter how you want to look at it. Just like mario galaxy changed platforming. If you can't acknowledge that, you're blind. 

No PS3 game propagated and popularized a whole genre the way Wii Sports and Wii Fit did.

PS3 didn't really do anything the 360 didn't. WIthout it, gaming really wouldn't be much different, as Microsoft would still offer the same kind of cinematic Hollywood-style games.

As shown by Microsoft's epic support for 360 since 2010 and onwards...

Also,  Wii Sports didn popularized sports genre, that was FIFA 10. I wouldnt even call Wii Sports a full game, its more of a tech demo for motion controlls



osed125 on 15 January 2014
Kane1389 said:

As shown by Microsoft's epic support for 360 since 2010 and onwards...

Also,  Wii Sports didn popularized sports genre, that was FIFA 10. I wouldnt even call Wii Sports a full game, its more of a tech demo for motion controlls

Wat? How can you even popularize the sport genre? 

People who like Futbol will buy FIFA or PES. People who like American Futbol will buy the NFL games, so on and so forth. There is no possible way to popularize, with a single game from a single sport, a genre that has so many "subdivisions".



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Kane1389 on 15 January 2014
osed125 said:
Kane1389 said:

As shown by Microsoft's epic support for 360 since 2010 and onwards...

Also,  Wii Sports didn popularized sports genre, that was FIFA 10. I wouldnt even call Wii Sports a full game, its more of a tech demo for motion controlls

Wat? How can you even popularize the sport genre? 

People who like Futbol will buy FIFA or PES. People who like American Futbol will buy the NFL games, so on and so forth. There is no possible way to popularize, with a single game from a single sport, a genre that has so many "subdivisions".

check the public and critic reception for FIFA 10 and compare it to other FIFAs in the 7th gen



osed125 on 15 January 2014
Kane1389 said:
osed125 said:

Wat? How can you even popularize the sport genre? 

People who like Futbol will buy FIFA or PES. People who like American Futbol will buy the NFL games, so on and so forth. There is no possible way to popularize, with a single game from a single sport, a genre that has so many "subdivisions".

check the public and critic reception for FIFA 10 and compare it to other FIFAs in the 7th gen

And? that means FIFA 10 popularize Futbol games, not the entire sports genre...



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Soundwave on 15 January 2014

Madden f**king '92 popularized the sports genre. I realize some people (many actually) are probably under the age of 16/17 but for crying out loud at least do some basic research before shooting your mouth off.