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michael_stutzer on 10 January 2014
sales2099 said:

I am totally serious here........Sony selling something is essentially a non-effort on their part.

Sony: We are announcing _______

Sony fans: LOVE it!

PS Move (when fans denounced the Wii), PS Plus (subscriptions), PS4 multiplayer (paywall), PS Now (internet requirement). They seriously can't miss if they tried.

I am actually mad at Sony for making internet a requirement for PS Now. Why can't they make streaming offline?

I hope Microsoft delivers an offline streaming service. They can use bluetooth. 



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Talal on 10 January 2014
green_sky said:
Talal said:
green_sky said:
sales2099 said: Wow....didn't see that response coming from you 

When you say something worth agreeing with. Reasonable people with agree with you. Yes, am saying i nodded instead of shaking my head while reading your post. Sony hype is on totally another level. Each small thing is celebrated as huge victory and all the failures are never talked about again. The Last of Us won over 100 GOTY awards...yea bro but most other first party games under performed or failed. No worries.

OT: Funny stuff. 

Who would celebrate or talk about failures?

How dare Sony fans talk about a game they liked and not a game that they didn't like. 

As a big fan of PS3 am offended that you want all of us to be hypocrites. Also you are talking to one of the very few fans of The Last of Us that showed up to show support for it in the "Top 50 Games of All Time" thread. Rest of them were too busy doing god knows what or creating yet another thread for it with CAPS LOCK ON. 


It has nothing to do with hypocrisy though. It's human nature to celebrate something that makes you happy, something that you're proud of, I guess. I wouldn't go up to people and tell them "hey my favorite team got crushed at the tournament" I don't want to talk about failures. I don't deny them, but I still don't want to talk about them. I know that we're talking about games and not real life, but still why would anyone choose to talk about games that they hated and failed instead of games that they liked and succeeded. 



sales2099 on 10 January 2014
Augen said:
sales2099 said:

I am totally serious here........Sony selling something is essentially a non-effort on their part.

Sony: We are announcing _______

Sony fans: LOVE it!

PS Move (when fans denounced the Wii), PS Plus (subscriptions), PS4 multiplayer (paywall), PS Now (internet requirement). They seriously can't miss if they tried.

Good point.

Except, PS Move pretty well bombed and is done, kind of like 3D push for a bit. Sony fans do not buy up what ever they sell. Fortunately the PS4 was not forced to have a camera and move included, allowing choice and for the console to be $400 instead of $500.

PS Plus offers huge amount of value for anyone who games with tons of discounts and free trials.  There is nothing comparative by Nintendo or Microsoft in cost and value to PS+

Paywall is not great, but given it is...

1. Combined with PS+ great value already

2. A set precedent by Microsoft

...really softended the blow. Hell, I don't even have internet and I paid $60 for 2 years of PS+ to take the systems over once a month to a friend's place and get all the demos, trials and discounts.

PS Now we honestly still do not know about how it will do.  On the internet requirement, when the entire basis of your idea (streaming) is online based it is understandable. Especially when you consider that traditional methods of acquriing physical media will continue.  No one is being forced to use PlayStation Now.

If Microsoft really was Sony this is how their E3 would have gone.

"We are really excited about the Xbox One! We are pleased to announce two SKUs, one with Kinect for $499 and one without for $399! Also, Xbox Live will now have Xbox Live+, a premium service that will offer free game trials and discounts. Now this optional service will also allow gamers to store and share game easier via their hard drive or the cloud. To do this will need a reliable internet connection. Thank you."

There, you offer choice, you offer value and I guarantee you people would say "Well, I don't like Kinect, but no biggie, get the $399 SKU which makes it on parity with the PS4.  Also, that Live+ service is interesting optional service that could change the way I game. Not sure about it, let others try and if it is good value I could see using it.  If not, no big deal as can keep playing like I did on my 360."

It is a testament to Sonys careful tiptoeing and justifications to make you guys approve their every move. But the end result is they did each point I said above, excuses or no. Each fan faction is different, we do have our own cultures you know. Sony fans in particular, just are more accepting of whatever Sony does, in general.

That is not a negative point mind you. That is just part of your culture.



Xbox: Best hardware, Game Pass best value, best BC, more 1st party genres and multiplayer titles. 

 

FlamingWeazel on 10 January 2014
Anfebious said:
Well it certainly is an optional service but it's the option Sony came up to satisfy people who wants backwards compatibility.

And frankly it sucks. It's bound to be unreliable if it's dependant on bandwith. Until every country as a decent internet infrastructure not everyone is going to enjoy the service.


How does it suck? How else could their entire  catalogue be available to people without streaming it? it's a smart move and they won't be the last. What is your solution?



fps_d0minat0r on 10 January 2014

The problem is MS treated everyone like idiots.
they went on about the cloud for ages but didnt give any practical examples or demos of it in use.

Sony on the other hand, acquired gaikai AGES ago, but only revealed the service until they had it working and could give demos, not just talk crap and expect everyone to be hyped about results they cant see.

Thats the least that should be required from salesmen, the ability to turn PR crap into something meaningful to consumers who will be spending the money.



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FlamingWeazel on 10 January 2014
crissindahouse said:

You should make a comic about how Sony wants people to pay to play online now. That would make more sense because if their huge increase in PS+ subscriptions shows us something then that most people didn't give a damn about PS+ and only pay for it now because they have to if they want to play online.

Sony does pretty much what Microsoft already did with Xbox, they force a huge amount of gamers to pay to play online. All the stuff the gamers don't want to pay for like the "free games" doesn't really make it better if you don't want it. But yeah, Microsoft was evil because of that and Sony isn't in many peoples opinion. I mean, they could throw games worth 500 bucks a week on people, if they only want to play online why exactly do they have to pay for that if that was so bad from Microsoft?

PS Now is right now not really comparable with what Microsoft wanted to do as long as you still have the chance to buy retail copies and as long as youhave the possibility to play them always offline as long as it is singleplayer game.

Could be different in maybe 10-15 years if Sony would release games only as PS Now games but as long as they don't do it you can't really complain about it.

So much wrong, a part of selling a product is making a good value proposition to the consumer. Sony did a way betetr job then MS transitioning users yo paying fro onlone by making plus an laready good service. Sony did a great job making the transition seamless by giving people value, and yet stil most of ps4's offering s are not hidden behind a paywall.

 

Don't blame sony fans for MS doing a worse job a product branding and providing value. This month alone i got borderlands 2, Devil may cry, and infinite free..........................



FlamingWeazel on 10 January 2014
sales2099 said:
Talal said:
green_sky said:
sales2099 said: Wow....didn't see that response coming from you 

When you say something worth agreeing with. Reasonable people with agree with you. Yes, am saying i nodded instead of shaking my head while reading your post. Sony hype is on totally another level. Each small thing is celebrated as huge victory and all the failures are never talked about again. The Last of Us won over 100 GOTY awards...yea bro but most other first party games under performed or failed. No worries.

OT: Funny stuff. 


Who would celebrate or talk about failures?

How dare Sony fans talk about a game they liked and not a game that they didn't like. 

lol well if only it was that simple. Sony fans have a rich history of overhyping every upcoming exclusive. If they succeed....we never hear the end of it. Uncharted 2 2009 GOTY ring a bell? And if they bomb, there is no humble mindset....nono they literally erase it from memory. The game never existed. Forum hype comments from months ago are erased. But hey look, this new exclusive looks AMAZING! Hype mode!;)


LMAo at this, and xbox fans do not?? Every exclusive for xbox  is praised as the next killer app see Titanfall.  Just check out a selnor thread lol.



DonFerrari on 10 January 2014

Do everyone here agree that Sony fanbase is arrogant and ms fanbase is humble? Because i agree we sony fanboys are despicable, and people like sales2099 who is very humble and respectable is a fine example of ms supporter.



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naruball on 10 January 2014
RolStoppable said:
DonFerrari said:

I remember a lot of hate for pspgo because of the lack of disc, the price of vita and proprietary format here done by sony fans... Now if you are talking about fanboys in this thread you will find people saying that ms should have a piece of all second hand sell and drm is good for us.

True, the PSP go wasn't loved, but there were still plenty of folks who thought of it as a good move (similar to what we've recently seen with PS Vita TV). Naturally, opinions changed after launch and failure, because the company didn't deliver sales numbers that were worth bragging about. That, of course, also holds true for other companies' fans, but the difference we are talking about is that virtually any new Sony product is met with enthusiasm.

The price of the Vita was celebrated by Sony fans, even after Nintendo had dropped the price of the 3DS to $170. The memory cards weren't seen as an issue either, because after all the Vita was so much more powerful and advanced than the 3DS. While not many Sony fans expected the Vita to beat the 3DS in sales, the general consensus was around a 55/45 split in market share in favor of the 3DS. In other words, it was believed that Sony was making all the right moves to gain ground on Nintendo in the handheld market.

Very selective memory you got there, Rol. The truth is that the 3d, pspgo, and price of memory cards received significantly more negative remaks than positive from Sony fans. As somone who's paid close attnetion to all 3, I don't see how you can say that even people on the internet supported such decisions/products. I was interested in all three of them, hence why I paid close attention to reactions. What you fail to mention (or your selective memory is messing with you) is the praise wiiu recieved when it was revealed. But then when it started pulling numbers below expectations people/ninty fans started attacking Ninty. Who's really worried about bragging rights here? 

As far as I'm concerned Sony fans are as good/bad as MS/ninty fans. Members from all three fanbases seem to flip flop and diplay hypocricy. It's really hard to see it unless you're actually unbiased, which is hard for most people, especially when talking numbers is a way of living for so many years.



Talal on 10 January 2014
sales2099 said:
Talal said:
green_sky said:
sales2099 said: Wow....didn't see that response coming from you 

When you say something worth agreeing with. Reasonable people with agree with you. Yes, am saying i nodded instead of shaking my head while reading your post. Sony hype is on totally another level. Each small thing is celebrated as huge victory and all the failures are never talked about again. The Last of Us won over 100 GOTY awards...yea bro but most other first party games under performed or failed. No worries.

OT: Funny stuff. 


Who would celebrate or talk about failures?

How dare Sony fans talk about a game they liked and not a game that they didn't like. 

lol well if only it was that simple. Sony fans have a rich history of overhyping every upcoming exclusive. And if they bomb, there is no humble mindset....nono they literally erase it from memory. The game never existed. Forum hype comments from months ago are erased. But hey look, this new exclusive looks AMAZING! Hype mode!;)


Overhyping is a different issue, but it comes from all fan bases it's just that Sony fans are the majority of sites like GAF so sometimes it looks the worst. What do you want them to do when the game comes out and it sucks? Do you want them to defend the game (some do that)? Do you want them to express their disappointment (some do that also)? But do you seriously expect them to talk about it as much as they would have if it turned out to be a great game?