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NintendoPie said:
The court system is an interesting thing. Verrryyy interesting.


Not really. -_-



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anonymunchy said:
"...Nintendo was given IA Labs entire patent portfolio..."
I read this earlier and was wondering how this could benefit Nintendo.
Couldn't really find any other information about it.


It's really unlikely to benefit Nintendo directly, but it's more about sending a message that Nintendo will be very aggressive if you tru and sue them.



pokoko said:
Viper1 said:

The outcome of the case is not the point.  You suggested that Nintendo deliberately infringed on others.  I pointed out that they had no such intention given that they licsenced technology from Sharp and had them supply the displays.

Nor does one case elimate the fact that they do have a long history of establishing their own patants and respecting the patents from other companies.


And for the record, that courthouse in Marshall, Texas is also a patent troll haven.  A 78% win percentage for patent plaintiffs (antional avg is 20%) and is the second busiest courthouse in the country for patents suits.  Judge Ward himself has almost never sided with anyone but the plaintiff.  Type in Marshall Texas patent and get ready to read hwo many companies are getting screwed.  Including Sony and MS and damn near every tech firm you know and love.

Yeah, it kind of is the point.

Regardless, I was just pointing out that they recently lost a patent case, which kind of makes that PR statement amusing.  I'm not nearly as emotionally invested in this as you are and I'm not going to argue with you about whether they really lost or not.

My point isn't whether they lost or not at all.  My point is that they did try to legally obtain the rights to use a parallax barrier screen by licensing and contracting Sharp.  They didn't intentionally infringe on Tomita which is what the contrary of that statement would conclude.  If they don't respect other company's intellectual property, that means they willingly and knowlingly use other's IP without permission.  But that's not the case here.  They thought they were respecting the rights of others by licensing patents from Sharp for Sharp's own displays.  The real question should be how in the world does Tomita have the same patents as does Sharp?  Or how you can license a technology and still get sued by someone else for the same technology?



The rEVOLution is not being televised

pokoko said:
Viper1 said:
pokoko said:

What do you mean?  You know as well as I that Nintendo just lost a patent rights case.

Do you mean the one where they got sued by Tomita Technology for using the parallax barrier screen technology which Nintendo licensed from Sharp for use in the 3DS?

Yeah, that just makes all kinds of sense.  Nintendo licesned technology from a company that already has a parallax barrier screen technology (Sharp used it in their phones too) yet it is a license holder that gets sued by another company.

You did know Nintendo liscend the rights to the 3D technology from Sharp and had them supply the display screens, didn't you?

To be blunt, it doesn't matter if you like it or even if I like it, the fact is that Nintendo lost that case in court after it was ruled that the solution Nintendo used showed numerous similarities with an existing patent.  Obviously, the judge felt that this had nothing to do with whatever patents Sharp or anyone else might hold.  Now, maybe you know the details of the dispute, even though last I read they hadn't been revealed; regardless, if you want to argue the case, you're going to need to take it to Federal court.  Complaining to me about it on a forum means nothing.

But if we can decide in a forum who won the war (we can, can't we?) why not be able to decide if Nintendo is inovative or rip-off?



duduspace11 "Well, since we are estimating costs, Pokemon Red/Blue did cost Nintendo about $50m to make back in 1996"

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=8808363

Mr Puggsly: "Hehe, I said good profit. You said big profit. Frankly, not losing money is what I meant by good. Don't get hung up on semantics"

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=9008994

Azzanation: "PS5 wouldn't sold out at launch without scalpers."

Viper1 said:
pokoko said:
Viper1 said:

The outcome of the case is not the point.  You suggested that Nintendo deliberately infringed on others.  I pointed out that they had no such intention given that they licsenced technology from Sharp and had them supply the displays.

Nor does one case elimate the fact that they do have a long history of establishing their own patants and respecting the patents from other companies.


And for the record, that courthouse in Marshall, Texas is also a patent troll haven.  A 78% win percentage for patent plaintiffs (antional avg is 20%) and is the second busiest courthouse in the country for patents suits.  Judge Ward himself has almost never sided with anyone but the plaintiff.  Type in Marshall Texas patent and get ready to read hwo many companies are getting screwed.  Including Sony and MS and damn near every tech firm you know and love.

Yeah, it kind of is the point.

Regardless, I was just pointing out that they recently lost a patent case, which kind of makes that PR statement amusing.  I'm not nearly as emotionally invested in this as you are and I'm not going to argue with you about whether they really lost or not.

My point isn't whether they lost or not at all.  My point is that they did try to legally obtain the rights to use a parallax barrier screen by licensing and contracting Sharp.  They didn't intentionally infringe on Tomita which is what the contrary of that statement would conclude.  If they don't respect other company's intellectual property, that means they willingly and knowlingly use other's IP without permission.  But that's not the case here.  They thought they were respecting the rights of others by licensing patents from Sharp for Sharp's own displays.  The real question should be how in the world does Tomita have the same patents as does Sharp?  Or how you can license a technology and still get sued by someone else for the same technology?

Subcontracting a service doesn't take off the responsibility from you... if you contract a fraudulent scheme or anything infringing any law or agreement you are responsible as well and will have to show that you have taken all possible precautions to be sure it was right... And again in courthouse anything is possible, maybe you could sue your younger zigotic gemini for copying your DNA.



duduspace11 "Well, since we are estimating costs, Pokemon Red/Blue did cost Nintendo about $50m to make back in 1996"

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=8808363

Mr Puggsly: "Hehe, I said good profit. You said big profit. Frankly, not losing money is what I meant by good. Don't get hung up on semantics"

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=9008994

Azzanation: "PS5 wouldn't sold out at launch without scalpers."

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DonFerrari said:
Viper1 said:

My point isn't whether they lost or not at all.  My point is that they did try to legally obtain the rights to use a parallax barrier screen by licensing and contracting Sharp.  They didn't intentionally infringe on Tomita which is what the contrary of that statement would conclude.  If they don't respect other company's intellectual property, that means they willingly and knowlingly use other's IP without permission.  But that's not the case here.  They thought they were respecting the rights of others by licensing patents from Sharp for Sharp's own displays.  The real question should be how in the world does Tomita have the same patents as does Sharp?  Or how you can license a technology and still get sued by someone else for the same technology?

Subcontracting a service doesn't take off the responsibility from you... if you contract a fraudulent scheme or anything infringing any law or agreement you are responsible as well and will have to show that you have taken all possible precautions to be sure it was right... And again in courthouse anything is possible, maybe you could sue your younger zigotic gemini for copying your DNA.

While true, cases sucha s that are usually not pushed completely through as it undermines other legally obtained and applied patents for the exact same technology.   Normally this would put all patents involved into a reviewing period by the USPTO (who have a working relationship with the Japanese Patent Office) to ensure duplication of patented technologies are not causing legal issues.  The problem is that that federal courthouse in Marshall, Texas never forwards these cases back to the USPTO which is another reason patent trolls always file there.

As for the twin DNA suit, please don't give older twin patent trolls any ideas.



The rEVOLution is not being televised

Viper1 said:
DonFerrari said:
Viper1 said:

My point isn't whether they lost or not at all.  My point is that they did try to legally obtain the rights to use a parallax barrier screen by licensing and contracting Sharp.  They didn't intentionally infringe on Tomita which is what the contrary of that statement would conclude.  If they don't respect other company's intellectual property, that means they willingly and knowlingly use other's IP without permission.  But that's not the case here.  They thought they were respecting the rights of others by licensing patents from Sharp for Sharp's own displays.  The real question should be how in the world does Tomita have the same patents as does Sharp?  Or how you can license a technology and still get sued by someone else for the same technology?

Subcontracting a service doesn't take off the responsibility from you... if you contract a fraudulent scheme or anything infringing any law or agreement you are responsible as well and will have to show that you have taken all possible precautions to be sure it was right... And again in courthouse anything is possible, maybe you could sue your younger zigotic gemini for copying your DNA.

While true, cases sucha s that are usually not pushed completely through as it undermines other legally obtained and applied patents for the exact same technology.   Normally this would put all patents involved into a reviewing period by the USPTO (who have a working relationship with the Japanese Patent Office) to ensure duplication of patented technologies are not causing legal issues.  The problem is that that federal courthouse in Marshall, Texas never forwards these cases back to the USPTO which is another reason patent trolls always file there.

As for the twin DNA suit, please don't give older twin patent trolls any ideas.

I agree with you that most of cases the company sued may have took all steps, but the ones after this kind of buck aren't worried, they could have filed the patent in Fiji Island just so no one find until they decide to sue. Was just responding about the company not being responsible because it was a contractors fault.

Sorry, will keep my evil ideas for myself. Do you have an evil twin?



duduspace11 "Well, since we are estimating costs, Pokemon Red/Blue did cost Nintendo about $50m to make back in 1996"

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=8808363

Mr Puggsly: "Hehe, I said good profit. You said big profit. Frankly, not losing money is what I meant by good. Don't get hung up on semantics"

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=9008994

Azzanation: "PS5 wouldn't sold out at launch without scalpers."

Good for nintendo. Off topic, but I heard that nintendo stole their 3d capability from a former sony employee. They werent lucky in that case.



daredevil.shark said:
Good for nintendo. Off topic, but I heard that nintendo stole their 3d capability from a former sony employee. They werent lucky in that case.

This is exactly what I and otehrs are discussing above.

Former Sony employee Tomita has some kind of 3D patent.  But Nintendo didn't steal it, they contracted and licensed Sharp for the parallax barrier technology and for supply of the 3D displays.



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pokoko said:

Yeah, it kind of is the point.

Regardless, I was just pointing out that they recently lost a patent case, which kind of makes that PR statement amusing.  I'm not nearly as emotionally invested in this as you are and I'm not going to argue with you about whether they really lost or not.


So, If I'm correctly understanding your vision, you're just here to say that Nintendo is copying, even though other valid arguments are on the table.

Talk about emotional investment...



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