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garretslarrity on 02 January 2014

I'd go with a solid 60fps. I just personally enjoy a consistent and smooth look. I would however increase the resolution before I go above 60fps.



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Mr Puggsly on 02 January 2014

The difference between 30 fps and 60 fps can be jarring. It makes a game feel very different.

I don't get that same feeling from 720p vs 1080p.

I've been playing BF4 on the X1. I love seeing it run smooth and fast like CoD without the crap graphics.



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NYCrysis on 02 January 2014
disolitude said:


I've been gaming on PCs for well over a decade and have 3X 1080p monitors in Nvidia surround resolution of 5980x1080p (bezel corrected 5760x1080). I also have a 120 hz monitor which I give a go from time to time.

At these resolutions gaming becomes a game of trade-offs.

Do I want full rez and 60 fps (or even 120)? Well I have to lower the game details and AA.

Do I want all details and AA turned on? I may lower the resolution to do so...

Does anyone ever want a dipping stuttering frame rate? No they dont... So don't give me the BS that variable frame rate is an OK tradeoff as long as resolution and details are high.

Well i keep all my pc games vsynced on my 120hz monitor with my pc specs being a 570 and a i5 4670k @4.1. And playing bf4 maxed at 1080p 2xaa (I think) with vsync has much less input lag than a 30fps game on the ps3 like bf3 and feels much closer to 60fps and I know for a fact that bf4 doesnt run 60fps with my specs. Again maybe its not unlocked but i get much less input lag. And knack and killzone shadowfall sp are both 1080p with an unlocked framerate and I also have much less input lag than a 30fps game from the ps3 or even dead rising 3 without any screen tearing. I like that more than I do 60fps and a lower resolution.



SvennoJ on 02 January 2014

1080p. When I play on PC, I first set the resolution to 1080p, then remove effects until I get a steady 30 fps.
60 fps is nice, but after playing NFS rivals at 1080p, when it comes to a choice, I rather be able to see the traffic in the distance than have 17ms faster response time.

Of course 1080p60 is the best option (for current tv displays anyway), another Wipeout HD please.



disolitude on 02 January 2014
Pemalite said:
disolitude said:


I've been gaming on PCs for well over a decade and have 3X 1080p monitors in Nvidia surround resolution of 5980x1080p (bezel corrected 5760x1080). I also have a 120 hz monitor which I give a go from time to time.

At these resolutions gaming becomes a game of trade-offs.

Do I want full rez and 60 fps (or even 120)? Well I have to lower the game details and AA.

Do I want all details and AA turned on? I may lower the resolution to do so...

Does anyone ever want a dipping stuttering frame rate? No they dont... So don't give me the BS that variable frame rate is an OK tradeoff as long as resolution and details are high.

Pretty much.
However, the advantage the PC has is you can just throw more hardware at the performance problem.
You could achieve 120fps with everything on max in most games if you wen't with 3-4x Titans or Radeon 290's.
Basically, if you are willing to spend the cash, you can have zero compromises, where-as with consoles you are given what you get, regardless if you like it or not.

Besides on the PC, todays demanding game is essentially tomorrows solitair.

While I agree to an extent that PCs have a lot more flexibility in terms of performance relative to $$$ spent... at some point spending 2X the money to get more 15% extra performance becomes a little too much, especially when you could lower the settings slightly and usually accomplish the same thing.

Like I have 2X GTX 770 4GB in SLI. Could I add a 3rd and improve performance? Sure...Maybe sell them and get GTX 780TIs? You bet... But everything runs butter smooth on 3X1080p as long as I utilize FXAA and alternate between high and ultra details, depending on the game. So spending another 400 bucks to me just isn't worth it for an extra texture here and there.

But to conclude...PCs win this whole thread due to their flexibility, since you can lower setting and choose 1080p or 60 fps. You want it all? Get a PC...



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SvennoJ on 02 January 2014
Salnax said:
Assuming 720p and 30 FPS is the default, 60 FPS. Because while both 720 and 1080 will look bad in ten or twenty years when 4k is the standard definition, 60 FPS is always going to look good.

60fps, still looking good?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xbRL_v97qbE
(embed seems broken)



DaRev on 02 January 2014
vivster said:
I say if this were really next gen this wouldn't be a question.

Agreed. I thought we would never be having such discussions in this gen.

@ OP, I normlly don't notice FPS or any lack thereof, so 1080p for me and my 65" TV.



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disolitude on 02 January 2014
NYCrysis said:
disolitude said:


I've been gaming on PCs for well over a decade and have 3X 1080p monitors in Nvidia surround resolution of 5980x1080p (bezel corrected 5760x1080). I also have a 120 hz monitor which I give a go from time to time.

At these resolutions gaming becomes a game of trade-offs.

Do I want full rez and 60 fps (or even 120)? Well I have to lower the game details and AA.

Do I want all details and AA turned on? I may lower the resolution to do so...

Does anyone ever want a dipping stuttering frame rate? No they dont... So don't give me the BS that variable frame rate is an OK tradeoff as long as resolution and details are high.

Well i keep all my pc games vsynced on my 120hz monitor with my pc specs being a 570 and a i5 4670k @4.1. And playing bf4 maxed at 1080p 2xaa (I think) with vsync has much less input lag than a 30fps game on the ps3 like bf3 and feels much closer to 60fps and I know for a fact that bf4 doesnt run 60fps with my specs. Again maybe its not unlocked but i get much less input lag. And knack and killzone shadowfall sp are both 1080p with an unlocked framerate and I also have much less input lag than a 30fps game from the ps3 or even dead rising 3 without any screen tearing. I like that more than I do 60fps and a lower resolution.

With PC's you have the flexibility to adjust these settings and get FPS between 30 and 60 which is why your situation above works. With consoles, it is usually locked and you get an option for one or the other.

Lets put it this way:

Would I go down to 720p if someone promissed me minimum 30FPS or higher at 1080p? Probably not...

Would I go down to 720p if someone promissed me locked 60fps vs locked 30fps on 1080p? Absolutely...

720p may look slightly worse but doubling the frame rate affects the visuals just as much and improves the overall gameplay experience.



disolitude on 02 January 2014
SvennoJ said:
Salnax said:
Assuming 720p and 30 FPS is the default, 60 FPS. Because while both 720 and 1080 will look bad in ten or twenty years when 4k is the standard definition, 60 FPS is always going to look good.

60fps, still looking good?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xbRL_v97qbE
(embed seems broken)

 

This is @240p and still 30 fps since Youtube can't do 60.

Regardless of that, game looks more fun than latest COD :)



NYCrysis on 02 January 2014
disolitude said:
NYCrysis said:
disolitude said:


I've been gaming on PCs for well over a decade and have 3X 1080p monitors in Nvidia surround resolution of 5980x1080p (bezel corrected 5760x1080). I also have a 120 hz monitor which I give a go from time to time.

At these resolutions gaming becomes a game of trade-offs.

Do I want full rez and 60 fps (or even 120)? Well I have to lower the game details and AA.

Do I want all details and AA turned on? I may lower the resolution to do so...

Does anyone ever want a dipping stuttering frame rate? No they dont... So don't give me the BS that variable frame rate is an OK tradeoff as long as resolution and details are high.

Well i keep all my pc games vsynced on my 120hz monitor with my pc specs being a 570 and a i5 4670k @4.1. And playing bf4 maxed at 1080p 2xaa (I think) with vsync has much less input lag than a 30fps game on the ps3 like bf3 and feels much closer to 60fps and I know for a fact that bf4 doesnt run 60fps with my specs. Again maybe its not unlocked but i get much less input lag. And knack and killzone shadowfall sp are both 1080p with an unlocked framerate and I also have much less input lag than a 30fps game from the ps3 or even dead rising 3 without any screen tearing. I like that more than I do 60fps and a lower resolution.

With PC's you have the flexibility to adjust these settings and get FPS between 30 and 60 which is why your situation above works. With consoles, it is usually locked and you get an option for one or the other.

Lets put it this way:

Would I go down to 720p if someone promissed me minimum 30FPS or higher at 1080p? Probably not...

Would I go down to 720p if someone promissed me locked 60fps vs locked 30fps on 1080p? Absolutely...

720p may look slightly worse but doubling the frame rate affects the visuals just as much and improves the overall gameplay experience.

But explain killzone shadowfall running with an unlocked framerate with no problems with screen tearing and much less input lag than a locked 30fps game.